[the phantom]

Originally Posted by me

There's a reason I made that comment about Gil. If you're innocent, then you'd do well to just agree with it and move on.

Originally Posted by me

I'm just letting him know that I have a good reason for saying it and that it is meant to benefit the innocent, therefore if he is innocent he should let it stand.

Originally Posted by Green

I don't see that mysterious reason he is talking about at all and would like to remind mr. phantom that even if you yourself know you are innocent, we others don't and have no reason to trust you.

You know- there was a time when I could just do ploys and such to help the village, and my fellow villagers wouldn't interfere. No, they would try as hard as they could to figure out what the heck I was up to, and try to play along. Or if they couldn't see what it was, they would just let it go, knowing full well that calling attention to a ploy and questioning it would render it useless.

I guess those days are over. You can't do anything in this village without people pointing to it and jumping up and down.

All right, you want the explanation for why I declared Gil innocent, and suggested that all of us just consider him innocent?

Because if we all agreed to do it then the WWs would feel compelled to kill him, knowing that we'd never lynch him. Get it?

But of course we'd be faking- we can't honestly remove him from the possible lynch list. But as long as the WWs believed that Gil was never gonna get lynched, there's a possibility that they'd get rid of him. And so long as they're killing Gil, they can't be killing the Seer the same night, can they? (I seriously doubt he's the Seer.) And they'd also be removing someone who, if they had left around, could've been made into a sweet lynch target.

The fact is this ploy has worked before, in the sense that me or others saying junk like that has managed to influence the WW kill at night. Remember- we determine who the Wolves kill, for when they discuss the kill at Night they take into account our words and actions and probable next-day behaviors and use that to select the kill.

But yeah- that whole ploy is useless now. It may not have worked anyway, but I would've rather it not worked due to the WWs passing it up as opposed to having to explain the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Green

If we are talking about the "experienced veterans" click, this is certainly a good example.

Whatever. The fact is I recognized that Boro was doing the same exact sort of Seer ploy that I was planning on doing at a later time (ie trying to look like a possible Seer so the WWs kill you at night, thus buying another dream for the Seer). And then there was the McCaber kill which doesn't smell like Boro at all. Between those two things I felt that I might as well take a leap and trust him. If I'm wrong- congrats to him for bluffing me.

Satisfied, Green?