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Old 08-06-2008, 11:53 AM   #18
Morthoron
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Originally Posted by Mansun
Elrond was side by side with Isildur and Elendil during the Last Alliance's stand against Mordor 3,000 years before. For Denethor not to know enough lore to have heard an account of Elrond's doings during the second age against Sauron would be unthinkable. Elrond is every bit a legend as Elendil and Isildur in Middle Earth lore, and given that Denethor knows he is the wisest of all loremasters, ahead of Saruman even, he must have had other information bestowed about him, as one cannot just accept this view without a source of enormous credibility.
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Originally Posted by from The Council of Elrond:
Of these words we could understand little, and we spoke to our father, Denethor, Lord of Minas Tirith, wise in the lore of Gondor. This only would he say, that Imladris was of old the name among the Elves of a far northern dale, where Elrond and Halfelven dwelt, greatest of lore-masters.
It doesn't seem that Boromir had more than the vaguest clue about Elrond, and Denethor only perhaps a bit more (hence, a desperate but almost blind journey north for help). Remember, Denethor accused Faramir of being a 'wizard's pupil' and denigrated his son for studying the past. Denethor had his store of wisdom, but it was not deep. Being ensnared by Sauron when he used the Palantir (when none of the Stewards previous to him dared touch it) is proof positive that he lacked historical perspective.

Besides, based on the incontravertible evidence (representing several different views of the same point) presented by the last five posters (Eonwe, Radagastly, Man-of-the Wold, Bêthberry and myself), there was no chance of any army or Elrond himself leaving Rivendell; and, in any case, such a move would have failed.
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