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Originally Posted by Mansun
If you light a brand of fire close to a creature, urging them to speak or suffer the pain of fire, that is reasonable evidence to suggest Gollum was nearly burnt alive by Gandalf, as nearly is not the same as definately.
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No. He threatened Gollum with torture by fire (we are not given the details) to make him speak. He did not
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nearly burn Gollum alive in a flash of anger
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That's what
you said he did. He didn't. He wasn't acting in a rage; nor– for anything we know to the contrary– did he ever intend to burn Gollum.
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Originally Posted by Mansun
There is little point trying to convince others too wearily over whether a qoute is lighthearted to a small degree or not. If you don't see it, why should that bother anyone else?
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You haven't tried to convince me at all– unless saying over and over again that
you think it's light-hearted is an attempt to mesmerise me into agreeing.
It matter very much that I don't see it, since as I said, you are basing a significant part of your argument on it.
Of course, your original premise was simply that Gandalf was mean to Pippin. Fine, That
is basically a matter of personal opinion, and one on which we can all agree to disagree. But what you're doing is trying to prove it objectively, using "evidence" from the text which is either demonstrably wrong, or which you refuse to explain. (You have, in the course of this, also expanded the scope of your argument, so that it has become a much broader attack on the character of Gandalf.)
Yet again, what is it that you find light-hearted in
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"But let us not darken our hearts by imagining the trial of their gentle loyalty in the Dark Tower."
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It's a short quote. Can't you just point out the light-hearted part to me? Why not?