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Old 07-23-2008, 08:25 PM   #9
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Manwe was of lesser power than Melkor, wasn't he? Weren't they all?
I might take issue with that, as it is said

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Manwë and Melkor were brethren in the thought of Ilúvatar.
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Great might was given to (Melkor) by Ilúvatar and he was coëval with Manwë.
Manwë had no concept of evil until he saw the deeds of Melkor, and even then

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Manwë was free from evil and could not comprehend it, and he knew that in the beginning, in the thought of Ilúvatar, Melkor had been even as he.
I don't think there's really an answer as to why Melkor is the only one of the Valar who turned to evil. As was alluded to in an earlier post, some people are bad, some good. Free will is certainly a factor, but I think all are born with an innate tendancy toward one side of the other, to be embraced or rejected as chosen by the individual.
I think it's interesting that another Vala, Aulë, went so far as to try to make his own race of beings without the consent of Ilúvatar, just as Melkor wished to do. The motives of both were very different, and when confronted by Ilúvater, Aulë understood the enormity of his error and how far beyond his authority he had indeed gone.

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I just wonder what was so special about the rebellion of Numenor that made Eru jump in.
As to that Tolkein said in a letter

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Faced by this rebellion of appalling folly and blasphemy, and also real peril (since the Númenóreans directed by Sauron could have wrought ruin in Valinor itself) the Valar lay down their delegated power and appeal to God, and receive the power and permission to deal with the situation.
(emphasis added)
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