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Old 07-13-2008, 07:41 AM   #509
Aganzir
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I think Kitanna could be a wolf.

Her first post looks forced. I don't know... I guess I first seized on it because it reminds me so much of how a wolfish me could post on day 1.

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Originally Posted by Kitanna
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Originally Posted by Nerwen
ppl who do lots of loNg posts sayng nUthing & then maek liSts taht dont maek sence r up 2 sumthing IMHO.
Sometimes in the nothing the most is said.
I fail to see what you are referring to. Your response to Nerwen meets the criteria of communicating a little with a fellow wolf so as not to look like team members.

On day 1 she thought the A/N/F brawl brought up by Nerwen was moderately suspicious, but at the same time she found Nerwen herself moderately suspicious, too. She was inclined to think there was one or two hackers among us three (me, Nilp and Form, that is), and I really fail to see why. If we have talked to one another on day 1, why on earth does it make us hackers? She was suspicious also of EW who was quick to jump to his own defense, and Sixth, based on gut feeling, who advocated voting for Nerwen, probably IC.
Then she voted for Nerwen because she posted often but sayid little. In her defense I must say, though, that her vote post didn't look like she was trying to discourage others to vote for Nerwen, although she wasn't trying to encourage voting for her either.

I don't really know why a hacker would vote a fellow hacker as early as on day 1. Of course it would be a good plan since few would believe they actually did it, but it's risky as well. And Kitanna has been pretty suspicious even before the new wolf was turned (actually she's been less suspicious after that).
Except... On day 2 she asks Shasta (who was talking about Kath) if he thinks there would be wolf-on-wolf votes so early. The improbability of wolf-on-wolves on day 1 should make Kitanna look more innocent if/when Nerwen was to be revealed a wolf.

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Originally Posted by Kit
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Originally Posted by Boro
Yesterday Nerwen looked like an easy target for the wolves, today I'm not so sure. She's still posting frequently, but the posts are all empty.
A worrying truth indeed. Nerwen's posts are one liners, ICs, with an occasional post that clarifies or half-heatedly accuses.
Would a wolf continue suspecting her, especially as there are others who do it also?

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Originally Posted by Kitanna
Most suspicious
Eonwe- Voted not long after Eomer for Mith based on her vote for Sally who was the first to vote for Sixth
Boro- Next vote for Sixth
Elf-warrior- Third vote for Sixth
Agan-Tied Eonwe and Sixth, though a tie doesn't result in a double-lynch a tie remains a tie. If nothing else it confuses and muddles things especially close to deadline.
This is based purely on when and how they voted for, not their reasoning behind it.

Agan & Eonwe's look the most suspicious to me based on timing. Though I'm going to read through their posts before deciding fully how I feel about either.
Then there's this, the most suspicious of the "bandwagoners". Next vote for someone? Third vote for someone? Ties someone? Ties are confusing? What on earth is suspicious about that? Honestly, I can't see that as innocent reasoning.
I think it was Nog who had a good point that that's an easy way to add pressure on those who are suspected a little already (Eönwë and me, mainly).
Eönwë is suspicious because his vote is so neat and tidy, comes out of the blue and right after Eomer's vote. And votes for Mith, mind you.
I am suspicious because I accused Sixth of joking suspicions (which, as I already explained, weren't apparently such), I seemed to have a case on Nerwen rather than Sixth, if Sixth was a wof he would (in Kit's opinion) have returned instead of disappearing, and I base my case on Sixth's only post (what did other Sixth-voters base their cases on, then?).

On day 2 she votes for me, despite feeling more confident in mischief on Nerwen's part than when voting for her the previous day, but not feeling confident enough. My suspicions (against Sixth) feel wrong and don't make sense. Or was it just because I was going after Nerwen that day myself?

I have no idea about Shasta anymore - good points were brought up about his yesterday behaviour, so I will treat Shasta as a possible wolf now in relation to Kit.

On day 3 Kitanna comments on Eomer/Shasta row, saying neither of them smells like a rose, but she finds Eomer slightly stranger-looking and explains it "Simply because of my, as he called it, colorful WW past with him."
Later she wonders if Shasta and Eomer could have staged their row. Maybe, and if not, Eomer looks worse to her. Because of their colourful past, and his behaviour raises her eyebrow. Now, if Shasta was turned on night 3, this makes Kitanna look worse. She tries not to defend Shasta, but doesn't really accuse Eomer either - it's rather that she adds her vote for the case "look at Eomer before you look at Shasta".
She's also inclined to vote for Eönwë, who's "up to no good", and later votes for him. Eönwë went after Mith.

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Originally Posted by Kit
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Originally Posted by Shasta
With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf.
I'd like to look at Durelin's posts myself to see what I can draw from this theory.
This worries me. That myself. "I want to go through Durelin's posts and see that nothing that incriminates my fellows too much is revealed!"

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Originally Posted by Kit
If she did dream of Nogrod as a hacker it would make sense why she never voted or cast "damning" evidence onto him. That would have ended her life sooner or drawn her out so she had to reveal her role before she was ready.
I'm pretty sure Nog isn't a hacker now... And Kit just explains how it's possible that Dur found Nog a hacker although she didn't cast "damning" evidence onto him.

She is inclined to believe, though, that Durelin dreamed or was planning to dream of Mithwolf, which caused her death. But if the wolves thought it likely that the seer had dreamed of one of them, and especially if that one was Mith, they could well have decided to sacrifice her in order for others to look better.
Or then she wanted to go through Durelin's posts herself so as to be among the first to suspect that she dreamt of Mithwolf, and therefore look better.

Kit votes for Mith. In response to Eomer's wondering why he wasn't killed she says it points at Shasta being a wolf. But, in my opinion, it can also point at wolves being afraid of Eomer and wanting to frame Shasta.

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I won't have time to go through Form's posts, at least not to this extent, today. I'll have to leave in less than an hour and won't probably have a chance to come back.

Anyway, right now Kitanna is my top suspect. Though I have been so wrong about everyone that I don't really know how much I should trust my judgement anymore.

Next I'm planning to go back to day 1 and see if I could find at least some innocents and hopefully also a wolf given their interaction with Nerwen and Mith. I dare a guess that Mith was a wolf from the beginning.
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