Great,
Galin, one more enigma solved then... that is, if we can trust on Tolkien making Elanor solve the riddle for us, which I think we can.
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Originally Posted by Legate
If we were not to speak about Celeborn but about let's say Thranduil, then I daresay a metaphore of treasure would be indeed quite a compliment
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Even if we assume he valued material treasure greatly, it does not remove the possesive tone to the word.
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Originally Posted by Legate
Hm, I would actually say "have" is worse than "treasure", but that's also a matter of opinion (I only had in mind the fact that in most cases, "have" is used in the meaning "own"). And not sure if it isn't a little cultural/language determined.
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Yes, I agree that it probably is a matter of opinion. (Now I'm swaying off-topic, but we don't even have a verb like "have" in Finnish, we simply use our "be" verb and certain cases to imply possession... now shouldn't I then regard the verb "to have" as stronger than as would someone in whose native language it appears? Clearly interesting...)
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Originally Posted by Gwath
Actually, there IS a reference somewhere to Arwen's "green grave" being in Cerin Amroth, so someone had to have been there to bury her. Of course, since we know it wasn't Celeborn, it's not really relevant to this thread.
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Yes, there is, it's in the passage I quoted and I'm well aware of it.
However, I think the word "grave" could be interpreted less literally, that it could just mean the place where her remains were, I don't think it has to mean a literal grave.
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Originally Posted by Gwath
The question is not "would it occur to Celeborn to use 'treasure' to refer to his wife?", but "would it occur to Tolkien to use the word in that way?" - to which I think the answer is probably 'yes'.
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Now that is a very good point, I think. Although, it might have been a little careless of Tolkien...
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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin
I agree with Lommy that Celeborn's treasure is Arwen, his granddaughter who lived with him for ages.
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Now why is everybody saying I said that?
As far as I know, I didn't...
