[Thinlómien]

When discussing my and Nogrod's reactions late yesterDay, please take into account that we were sharing the computer not only with each other but with Greenie also. So that is for example why I did not react to Mac's confession at all - because I did not touch the keyboard after I had voted. Also, Nogrod was not online right the moment when Mac confessed because Greenie was posting then (as you can notice).

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Please go back to the last game and look how Rikae's feelings "shone through" making almost half of the village to believe her emotional posts even if we had almost clear Seer-thing on her... So what are you talking here Lommy? This clearly is unnecessary and wrong. Why would an innocent talk such nonsense as we all know after the last game what Rikae is capable of with showing a feeling? If not to try to bring forwards the feel-good factor? And no innocent can't afford that toDay even if to save one's own neck from suspicion.

Sorry, I'm not just as dumbfounded with Rikae's brilliant performance as you obviously were. Granted, I knew Rikae was a wolf when I read her posts that convinced so many, but I didn't find it particularly convincing. Convincing maybe yes, to some extent, but some people certainly over-reacted it. Basically, you can't blame me for "making the same mistake as in last game"for I never made the mistake in first place - possibly because I didn't have the chance, that has to be confessed.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy knows perfectly well that I never visited the computer after hearing Greenie's lament about not being able to take part toDay too much (we were eating dinner a few hours before the deadline). So suspecting me of being the one killing Greenie at Night because I heard her schedual is just plain wrong and she knows it. The question then arises why did she wish to make a point of it... To try and lay further suspicion on someone she knows is innocent perhaps? Where she just too happy to continue her well-begun wolfy-attack on me so that she just forgot this particular case was impossible???

I'm inclined to respond as heatedly, but it will be of no use if we two start calling each other liar here. But anyway you're either lying or confused. For the thing I know perfectly well is that I and Greenie left your place about 40 minutes before the deadline and I have no means of knowing what you did after that. If you say you didn't go online, fair, I accept it because it would be quite nasty of you to lie here, but you can't assume I have some magic power with which I can know when you're sending wolf PMs and when you're not.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But another thing that bothers me a bit more generally is the seeming consensus that the wolves are "sporty" and they should be found among people who could fit the description. I mean I could see it as well the other way around where a bunch of less loud wolves would leave the loudmouths alive just to tear each other apart while they would just sit back and relax. It might be though that Lommy and Rikae indeed are the wolves here. It's perfectly possible. But what I don't like is the premature consensus.

Am I the only one who thinks Nogrod is a bit panicky here? It's like "darn, Lommy and Rikae both look too innocent, I can't get them lynched, and I'm the only remaining loudmouth, I have to find a different kind of culpirt". Even though, if Nogrod was innocent and truly believed in mine and Rikae's innocence (which he seems not to do) he could act similarly.

I don't like the tone in which Nogrod accuses me. It's too nasty and dishonest to be innocent. I mean, it looks more like a desperate wolf to me. (Even though, one thing worth noticing is that innocents are more desperate right now than wolves.)

Durelin seems taking the suspicion against her quite heavily. Normally I would see it as a mark of an innocent, but I remember previous durywolves acting just like that. I can't really judge Durelin as truth be told I have not focused a lot of attention on her but right now she feels wolfy. It might be just that I'm picking a vague gut-feeling and the common opinion and making it mine so I don't really like it. I will reread the whole game toDay to be a bit more clear on things.

Originally Posted by Durelin

I also would like to mention to everyone that those of us who are innocent need to not be spread out in our votes. We have all three wolves still alive, and since they only need an innocent lynched toDay to win, there is no reason for them to hesitate to all three vote for the same person. That means we need everyone to talk, too. I'll do my best to be around.

Goodness, I didn't even realise this. Now we have to be extra careful... somehow Durelin saying that looks like she's reminding her fellows of the fact that if they get one innocent voting wrongly, they win. Oh, this is creepy...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I have to go out now, so I don't have time to look at Lommy in any detail, but has anyone else noticed how she comes in suspecting me toDay?
Why? She never did before– and she gives no reason toDay.

We're now on the stage in which one most virtually suspect everyone. I did start the day with suspecting you a little, but after rereading yesterDay's last post, I suspect(ed) you less. Right now your sort of "keeping all doors open" looks like innocently so, so I'm not actually suspecting you that much.

In fact, I'm agreeing with Rikae that a Durelin-Nogrod-Menel trio looks at least possible, if not probable. *expects a vicious nogrodicissit attack after this statement*

I'd like to hear more of Mith's opinions on things, it could provide extra insight to Mith herself (whom I'm not considering very seriously at all) and to the identities of wolves.

Nerwen - I don't know how much you've played with Volo but I have to agree with Rikae once again: that's just his style. It does not make him look particularily innocent or guilty. I'm very baffled about him and I would like to take a closer look at his posts but I doubt I will have time to do it toDay because lynching him will be quite a shot in the dark anyway... I mean, I don't have time to focus on everybody so I'd rather focus on a few suspicious people and see who (if anyone of them) looks really wolvish. If we lynch a wolf today we can take it a bit easier toMorrow and then we can concentrate on enigmas but I do not think today is the time to do that.

Ok, now or very soon I'm off to reread the thread.

I have the bad feeling that the "fact" that Nogrod is a wolf fits everything so beautifully that I'll start seeing everything in that light... which is not nice because that's exactly what happened with Mac. If there would be a means of staying objective regardless of one's own initial suspicion I'd give a lot for it.