Thread: Gay subtext?
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Old 01-06-2002, 04:17 PM   #75
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I haven't read through all of the posts on this subject, so I don't know if any of my following points has been mentioned before. Please excuse me if I use someone else's arguments.

Frodo and Sam and their relationship. Gay or not? Have you noticed that in the movie, they've simply worked their way around this issue (consciously, perhaps?) by giving Sam a crush on the hobbit girl Rosie at Bilbo's farewell party?

As for the books, I don't think Frodo and Sam are gay. In my (humble) opinion, it simply doesn't fit - I don't know why, it just doesn't - and when the company reaches Lothlórien and Galadriel looks each in their eyes, Sam blushes. He blushes fast, and lowers his eyes.
Even though Galadriel is so powerful that you may be able to feel her mind on your own, I think Sam blushes due to the fact that he is 'afraid' of her finding out that he considers her beautiful. I think we can all agree that Sam is too simple and kind to have any dark thoughts he wants to hide.

Regarding the women of Tolkien, I read somewhere that the main reason for not describing the relationship between men and women (Aragorn and Arwen aren't exactly described as 'hay-hoppers') was because he didn't want to offend anyone. He was being as politically correct as possible. Strong friendships, and comrades in arms, however, that's something else. The strong friendship between Legolas and Gimli may be a reflection of Tolkien's own experiences in WWI.

By the way, Turambar, I think
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