[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate

Just to clarify: the Lamps were probably destroyed by the combinated effort of Melkor's fallen-Maia hosts, and with the Trees, he needed the help of Ungoliant.

I just wanted to point out that even though ainur have, in some cases, been able to destroy the works of the other ainur (although the comparison was not completely valid, as at least to my knowledge any of the valar didn't shed their power to the Lamps), I don't think it makes much difference whether the dragons were of maia origin or not, as Sauron was more powerful than them anyway.

I have a feeling I'm being rather unclear today.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Come on, it's fiction, not science

I know, and while writing my previous post I actually stopped to think why I try to find solutions to things that may be contradictory just because also Tolkien was just a human.
But isn't that what we fans must do? Although Tolkien is dead, we are still creating and completing Middle-earth, no matter if all we do is to try to find logical solutions to things that don't make sense otherwise.

Originally Posted by Might

Although I don't understand what you mean by "lesser spirits", in CoH they are "great spirits" implying Ainur.

I was referring to the post Legate linked, to somewhat disagree with his theory about dragons being spirits that were trapped to bodies prepared for them.

Originally Posted by Farael

Surely there is something magical about that?

Well, if you go to some isolated native tribe in the Amazonian rainforest, they will surely find your mobile phone and car magical. But when you've lived there long enough, they are suddenly thinking that those are common every-day objects.