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Originally Posted by Nogrod
I can understand what a vampire-Seer does. S/he's pretty powerful one as s/he can try to spot the gifteds for the vampires. I can also see that a vampire-hunter would take away one innocent when lynched. Both of these roles seem to make the vampires have the upper hand pretty definitively. To this the fact can be added that there is no voting-record to help the villagers. So are you sure about the balance of this game?
And what will a vampire-ranger do? Defend a fellow vampire that was to be lynched? Okay, I can see a point in this as the innocents who do the voting don't exactly know who was in trouble and thence a save by the vampire-ranger doesn't reveal the saved vampire for sure. Or is s/he only for saving another vampire whom the shade meant to kill at Night? In both cases, more in the first, the vampires are made even stronger.
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Yes, the V(ampire)Seer is to find the Gifteds/Shade and the VHunter has a free kill at death.
The VRanger can save from the Shade and the Hunter, but not from the Lynch or the Lynch Kill (I'll explain).
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
So the shade is only interested in her/his own survival, right? And s/he wins if s/he stays alive when the game ends? So s/he needs the village to win. So s/he must care about who wins...
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Originally Posted by Legate
Well, I think the shadow wouldn't necessarily need to "join" the village, as far as I understand it, at the moment the wolves win, technically there are yet the same number of ordos alive - so if the shadow is one of them, he wins as well, doesn't he?
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The Shade is on its own. Of course it can make deals with the Village or Vampires in the game thread, and betray if it wants.
It's the most important role in the whole game as it can change a lot, so use it wisely.
The only thing the Shade has to do is survive. It wins if either the Villagers or the Vampires win, as long as the Shade is alive. The Vampires don't have any reason to kill the Shade, except for their own safety, as the Shade can kill them. The Shade may also vote, unlike the Vampires.
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
Is the shade then the "secret weapon" of the villagers "who will bring the balance"?
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If the Shade wishes to help the Village.
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Originally Posted by Legate
Well, from what I understand now the biggest problem would be that there'd be an effort from the villagers to kill the Were-Ranger first, because otherwise there'd be no chance of lynching... or so I understand that...
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Nah, the VRanger can't save from Lynches.
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Originally Posted by SPM
Um, I may be missing something here, but, assuming that the villagers are allowed to discuss who to vote for?
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Sure!
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Originally Posted by Brinniel
Also, 16:00 GMT - that's 4pm GMT, right? Sorry, I just get easily confused by these things...
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Yes.
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Originally Posted by Volo
Oh, and the Vampires will be Aganzir, Thinlómien and Nogrod.
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Originally Posted by Lommy
It was most definitely a joke from Volo's part, since Volo knows me, Aganzir and Noggie from/in RL and has been joking about making us the three wolves for a long while. (Obvioulsy it'd be quite funny from my perspective if the wolves were me, my father and one of my best friends...) So don't worry about that, dear fellow players.
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In fact they should worry. You, Nogrod and Aganzir are the only ones that don't. It's a joke, sorry (not really...
) for confusing you... I'll shuffle all the roles. Or so I think.
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