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Originally Posted by Me in #173
In general I’ll leave the row between tgwbs and Roa be. I see no reason to dwell in it now. But this argument against Roa in #155 needs to be restated just for fun:
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Originally Posted by tgwbs
I do not need to analyse you, because your unreasonable obstinance on this matter is more than enough to make me confident of your wolvishness.
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This remark I can see in a new light right now. Now why on earth did a cobbler say that? Trying to contact a wolf?
It indeed mirrors
Roa's strategy in her last game as a cobbler and the rant she had with
spm - and she also cleared me of all suspicion then as
tgwbs did from Day2 onwards. Or was he trying to pose as a seer to my viewpoint at least? I remember
Mith's concern about him being a gifted. I shared the same concern for a while after I read
tgwbs's defence of myself and the way he set his suspicions / innocents lists on Day2. In the end I managed to get get myself over it and thought that were he a Seer he would not have acted that bluntly... happily so.
But I'm also a bit surprised of the way
Roa decided to act as surprised with the death of
Brinniel. That felt just like an undetached quasi-wonder to be made for the sake of saying something. But it's
Roa and she rarely just fills in nonsense lines - and she was the one to first draw attention to these meta-reasons anyway... so she would have known?
I would also like to bring forwards the way
Glirdy (known wolf) acted towards
Roa on Day1. YesterDay I thought it talked in favour of her but now I'm not so sure anymore.
After
Roa's initial discussion of the care we should take on any revealments
Glirdy answered:
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Originally Posted by Roa
We must be extremely wary of people who come out as gifteds at any point in the game, because without knowing what we have, it would be easy for a wolf to use that as a cover. So, even if a gifted proclamation goes uncontested, it's posible that the role isn't even in the game. Gifteds, if there are any, will need proof greater than a lack of contest if they plan on revealing. Fortunately, this could be an even greater risk for the wolves, seeing as they don't know if they will be contested or not.
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Originally Posted by Rikae
This doesn't sit right with me. The fact is, a hunter, a ranger or a seer who's only dreamed of innocents won't have any such proof to offer, as I'm sure you know: I'd still prefer they come forward rather than be lynched! I'm not sure I like the way Roa advocates mistrust toward revealed gifteds with one breath, and points out that claiming giftedness would be a risky strategy for wolves with the next.
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I'd have to agree with the actor person there, Rikae. There's something about that there....uhhh....let me check my hand for her name....uh....Brinnel..no....Mith...noooooo.....Gi l...nuhuh.....Glirdan....THAT'S ME! What am I going to have for breakfast??? OOO!! Butterfly....pretty.....
What?? OH!! Right....about Roa!! Ya, that's the one. There's something bout that one there that doesn't sit right at all. No it doesn't. Too inconsistent with her....her idea's? No...her thoughts!! Ya....I want sleep.....
I agree that at this point it would be risky for them there Gifteds to proclaim themsleves. But who in their right mind would do that at this point unless they were on the verge of being lynched? So why even bring up the idea that the Gifteds should remain hidden when we all know that they will and they already have that set in their minds? It's....ummm....confusing....and....umm....unnervi ng what she said. Ya, that's what it is....
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And after
Roa answered him he said:
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Okay, roleplaying over for me for now.
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Originally Posted by Roa
I think you've misunderstood me entirely, or else you are intentionally misrepresenting my post. I said we shouldn't immediately believe someone who claims to be a hunter, for example, especially when we don't even know if there is a hunter. And as I pointed out to Rikae, there are no retractable votes this game. A gifted could not afford to wait until the last minute, and niether could a wolf if they wanted to use that strategy. I did not say "Gifteds should definitely not reveal," I said "Villagers should be aware that the wolves will find it a great deal easier to pose as gifteds in this village." (Paraphrased.)
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And now I am clear. I was actually a litte befuddled by what you had posted which made me leery(sp?) of you. Sorry for jumping down your throat.
Now I am quite disturbed by Sixth's and Lommy's votes for me.
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Funny that
Roa was this lenient to answer
Glirdy just by way of saying that "I think you've misunderstood me entirely, or else you are intentionally misrepresenting my post". It's the nicest way I have ever seen
Roa talk of any other person in this game who doubted her - unless she has had something to hide...
But see also the way
Glirdy gets back into line after
Roa's point...
Okay. I don't know. It's too late for me to continue to see if this case has anything of merit in it. I do normally suspect
Roa (and she does suspect me). In that way we're even. I know I have now laid some points for suspecting her as I'm going to retire for the night (rl) and I can only guess what kind of full-scaled attacks she could launch at me while I'm away...
I'm not sure about this, not even convinced. And all the evidence we draw from
tgwbs (with which my curiosity to look at
Roa was raised) must be taken basically in line with the probabilty that he didn't know the wolves identities any more than we do... and that he wanted to lead us astray - but also to contact the wolves. That is one of the most pressing things for cobblers, to be recognised by the right persons... according to whom they believe are the ones... So all this is just what little raised my eyebrows before going to sleep. I hope I can be more elaborate with this and more importantly, with other possibilities as I awake and have some time to look at this more thoroughly.