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Old 03-30-2007, 02:23 AM   #5
Raynor
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Originally Posted by Folwren
As I said, I haven't read what you're referring to.
I believe he is reffering to a text in HoME X.
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Originally Posted by Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
Then one appeared among us, in our own form visible, but greater and more beautiful; and he said that he had come out of pity.
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- Now build Me a house upon a high place, and call it the House of the Lord

The first Voice we never heard again, save once. In the stillness of the night It spoke, saying:
- Ye have abjured Me, but ye remain Mine. I gave you life. Now it shall be shortened, and each of you in a little while shall come to Me, to learn who is your Lord: the one ye worship, or I who made him.
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Originally Posted by The Might
And also I remember seeing some quote of Tolkien's, from the letters I believem where he way pointing out that if Men weren't mortals, they would just be something very close to Elves, and there wouldn't be much point in creating them as Secondborn as such.
A very interesting point is found in this text too:
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...their 'immortality' cannot have been the longevity within Arda of the Elves; otherwise they would have been simply Elves, and their separate introduction later into the Drama by Eru would have no function.
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Originally Posted by hewhoarisesinmight
He gave a choice to the human race, death or evil worship and damnation for eternity. Why would Eru just create a race just for them to have those two choices?
It wasn't just these two choices since, as pointed previously, many (though not all) that wanted managed to escape. However, there is a considerable amount of salt to be taken with this story, considering that Men thought they should have been immortal, and also because Melkor appears in a fair form - of which he was not capable anymore after his evading from Valinor
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Originally Posted by Of the darkening of Valinor, Silmarillion
Now Melkor came to Avathar and sought [Ungoliant] out; and he put on again the form that he had worn as the tyrant of Utumno: a dark Lord, tall and terrible. In that form he remained ever after.
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