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Iarwain · 08-03-2003, 10:28 AM

It's funny that such a basic question could really provoke a serious discussion.

Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, and the two Blue Wizards (their names slip my mind at the moment) were all Istari. They arrived in Middle-Earth at the beginning of the third age, sent by the Valar to quietly aid the remaining exiles and the surviving Numenorians defend against Sauron, in disguise. Gandalf was sent by Manwe and Varda, Saruman was sent by Aule, Radagast by Yavanna, and I can't remember about the Blue wizards (again). In Valinor, they were some of an unknown number of Maiar that served under the Valar. But, they were also (in origin) of the same race of the Valar, that is to say that they were Ainur, The first creation of Eru recorded in Tolkien's books. So, to organize this, they were

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Iarwain

[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

08-03-2003, 10:28 AM	#7
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	It's funny that such a basic question could really provoke a serious discussion. Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, and the two Blue Wizards (their names slip my mind at the moment) were all Istari. They arrived in Middle-Earth at the beginning of the third age, sent by the Valar to quietly aid the remaining exiles and the surviving Numenorians defend against Sauron, in disguise. Gandalf was sent by Manwe and Varda, Saruman was sent by Aule, Radagast by Yavanna, and I can't remember about the Blue wizards (again). In Valinor, they were some of an unknown number of Maiar that served under the Valar. But, they were also (in origin) of the same race of the Valar, that is to say that they were Ainur, The first creation of Eru recorded in Tolkien's books. So, to organize this, they were Ainur>Maiar>Istari=Wizards Iarwain [ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ] __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"