[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

OK. For the second time today, I was not “taking things out of proportion” when I made this comment. I was merely noting that it seemed rather odd to be criticising people for not having posted yet when we were only just over three hours into the game (and in the middle of the night, for some people). The points that I had in mind in particular in making this statement were the following.

You had the unfortunate responsibility of being the Mirth Mod when the ugly incident went down about playing styles, and niceness, and respect, etc, so you know how Nogrod and I are when we are "berating" anyone. Not only that, but you had time to comment on these before you did so, and yet you waited until Manwe made his case. Convenient, because if Nogrod is lynched and found innocent, the first perspon everyone will look to is Manwe, not you.

I never said that you did. Indeed, I don’t think that I accused anyone of “jumping” on Glirdan. Nogrod’s early statements concerning Glirdan’s (only) post did, however, arouse my suspicions. He repeated them above, but I shall set them out here for ease of reference:

I was responding to Manwe when I said that. You know as well as I do that Nogrod's "case" (if it cam be called that) against Glirdan is standard for early in the Day, not having much to go on, and throwing things out there to be discussed. In fact, Manwe did the very same thing, albeit in a far bolder and tactless manner. You find those who jumped on Manwe for such behavior suspicious. Is it so surprising that I do the same?

Glirdan’s first post is nothing more than an “I’m here, but have nothing much to say”. Now, while this sort of post does annoy me, I am not inclined to view it as sinister, taken alone. Nogrod, however, referred to him as “the most suspicious one” (at that, admittedly early, stage) and categorised it as “bad to be sure”. Yes, he said he wanted to hear more from Glirdy. But, if Glirdan was identified as a possible Day 1 target by the Faithfuls, then this was an appropriate time, from their perspective, to start sowing the seeds of doubt in him. (Emphais mine)

That's a big IF. Yes, early targeting is a tactic, but in order to see Nogrod's posts as such, you'd have to pre-assume him guilty. If he's innocent, it makes sense as an attempt to look at what was available and make a statement about it.

Trust is a difficult thing to come by in this game, so I would not expect you to trust me. But, I should be grateful if you would explain your reasoning further. I have said nothing other than that which I intended to say, and mean. My “case” against Nogrod, which actually amounts to finding him one of the two most suspicious villagers at this stage, is based upon the various points identified in my previous post which, while seemingly innocuous when taken individually, are sufficient to arouse my suspicions when taken together.

Of course you say what you intend- you're subtle and clever with words. (Lawyer :P ) That's why I look for subtleties (such as making Nogrod seem unreasonable, or as though he is behaving in a manner not typical to him.)

I hope that clarifies.

It does, but not what you intended to clarify.

Your “case” against Manwe, already an early contender for possible lynching, in turn troubles me, Roa.

No explanation as to why? Such a shame, since expect the same from evryone else. (Except Manwe, whose case you've latched onto and are attempting to bolster.)

However, I still find Rikae, with her hasty vote for him, the most suspicious among those agitating against him, so my main suspicions remain with her and Nogrod. And I cannot believe that both you and Nogrod are Faithfuls. Melkor help us if you are.

How convenient that you have a fall back lynchee. This way you can back out and vote for either of them to avoid the suspicion of lynching an innocent.

EDIT: X'd with everyone since SPM's last post.