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obloquy · 02-27-2002, 07:30 PM

I highly doubt the spirit of Gothmog of the Elder Days would have taken the form of a mere Orc.

In my post in the "Seven Thains" thread I did not intend to suggest that the Balrogs could be reincarnated. What I meant is that they were at first not incarnate, but rather clothed in material forms, and at this point they were capable of re-embodiment. I then speculated that they later grew to the point of incarnation (as Morgoth did), and likewise lost the ability to be re-embodied at will or by their own power. Thus the finality of their deaths.

You might ask why Gothmog, after his death in Gondolin, didn't return to Morgoth to be provided with a new body. Well, we know Morgoth at some point became too diminished to create new forms for himself, and I believe this would also affect his ability to form new bodies for his servants.

02-27-2002, 07:30 PM	#5
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 941	I highly doubt the spirit of Gothmog of the Elder Days would have taken the form of a mere Orc. In my post in the "Seven Thains" thread I did not intend to suggest that the Balrogs could be reincarnated. What I meant is that they were at first not incarnate, but rather clothed in material forms, and at this point they were capable of re-embodiment. I then speculated that they later grew to the point of incarnation (as Morgoth did), and likewise lost the ability to be re-embodied at will or by their own power. Thus the finality of their deaths. You might ask why Gothmog, after his death in Gondolin, didn't return to Morgoth to be provided with a new body. Well, we know Morgoth at some point became too diminished to create new forms for himself, and I believe this would also affect his ability to form new bodies for his servants.