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Old 09-05-2006, 10:41 AM   #276
Macalaure
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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man
Wasn't that the motivation of Simon and the Zealots? My Bible is even more rusty than my English history, but I thought that Judas' motivations were different.
My Bible is as rusty as yours, probably rustier. And my English history... well
However, I believe this was his motivation. I think he even was a zealot before he followed Jesus.

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I am one of those who did not pick up any parallel with Christianity when I frst read the book - certainly not until I started to read the Silmarillion some years later (indeed, the "Biblical" tone of the Silm's opening chapters put me off reading it back then).
Same holds for me. That is why I'm interested in the perspective.


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Originally Posted by ninja91
Anyway, I would like to compare Frodo to Jesus.
Frodo had to carry a burden, the ring, up mount doom. He was helped by Sam. Jesus had to carry the cross up to Mount Golgotha, with some help from Simon.
Frodo was deceived by Gollum. Jesus was deceived by Judas.
Frodo suffers at the cracks of doom. Jesus suffers on the cross.
Frodo went to the Grey Havens. Jesus ascended into heaven.
I see your points. But one-to-one comparisons like these are a little too simple.
Frodo's burden was the reason for his whole quest. For Jesus it was just the last step. The help they get is different. If I don't mix things up, then Simons carries Jesus' cross for a while. Sam carries the Ring, too, but earlier and only when he had no other choice. He's not allowed to carry it at Mount Doom.
Judas betrayed Jesus to the Romans. Gollum betrayed Frodo for his own good.
Valinor has of course a parallel with Heaven/Eden, but then, it has a parallel with pretty much every otherworld in any myth.
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