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doug*platypus · 01-06-2003, 06:51 AM

Then perhaps the whole High Kingship thing was just a dirty Arnor ploy to maintain influence over Gondor, which was quite clearly a separate Kingdom. Perhaps then Aragorn is a pretender to the throne, and cannot really claim the Kingship of Gondor? Of course, he does make a pretty fantastic King, and they really did need one right about then.

I'm glad to have read this discussion, though, and I now understand the position of Denethor, and the Pride of Gondor better. From a certain point of view, Aragorn is King of another Kingdom, seeking to wrest the rulership of Gondor from the Stewards by invoking a claim to High Kingship, so ancient it has been heard of only once (Arvedui) since Elendil. Noone had more to gain from the death of Denethor. How fortunate! Any conspiracy theorists out there want to guess what else Aragorn used the Palantír for??

01-06-2003, 06:51 AM	#26
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Then perhaps the whole High Kingship thing was just a dirty Arnor ploy to maintain influence over Gondor, which was quite clearly a separate Kingdom. Perhaps then Aragorn is a pretender to the throne, and cannot really claim the Kingship of Gondor? Of course, he does make a pretty fantastic King, and they really did need one right about then. I'm glad to have read this discussion, though, and I now understand the position of Denethor, and the Pride of Gondor better. From a certain point of view, Aragorn is King of another Kingdom, seeking to wrest the rulership of Gondor from the Stewards by invoking a claim to High Kingship, so ancient it has been heard of only once (Arvedui) since Elendil. Noone had more to gain from the death of Denethor. How fortunate! Any conspiracy theorists out there want to guess what else Aragorn used the Palantír for?? __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.