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Old 08-27-2006, 07:07 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Boromir88
Just to point out I didn't say Saruman got his voice from 'The Enemy' (as inh e got it from Sauron or Morgoth). But was showing that Saruman's voice fit perfectly with Galadriel's description of 'the deceits of the Enemy.' As Saruman's voice was quite deceitful at times in order to get what he wanted.
I think that Saruman was using his voice in much the same way that Galadriel did, but with different purposes (just as say one person may own a gun to deal with a rat problem, another may own one for nefarious purposes). It is quite possibly all down to sanwe, the skill of thought transference/telepathy which peoples in Arda possess but are usually unaware of. Elves are skilled in using this, as would be Maiar such as Gandalf and Saruman, and probably Aragorn, brought up in Rivendell; part of that skill also involves the ability to 'close' the mind to unwanted intrusion or influence, and we can assume that most peoples in Middle-earth would be entirely unaware of the need to protect themselves from such a skill! Long-ish explanation for anyone who's not yet heard any ramblings on this topic.

If we look at the instances where Saruman is speaking we can see how he manages to get inside the minds of certain listeners, usually Men, whereas those with 'sanwe awareness' are more able to shake off the suggestions in Saruman's words. Saruman then goes on to have his dispute with Gandalf where their minds are 'striving' against each others for mastery; this is not just a wizardly staring match, they are conversing through sanwe and Gandalf was likely trying to get the better of Saruman's mind - or trying to stop Saruman from finding out too much!

We can see Galadriel using sanwe too, when Boromir is unnerved by having certain thoughts intrude into his mind as though she is speaking to him. Is this deceitful of Galadriel to do this? It is just an inherent skill that some are more aware of than others, and which some are more able to use. Just that they may not always be using it for the 'right' reasons. And its worth noting that probably the most skilled user of sanwe seems to have been Sauron.

Good point about Galadriel's words on 'magic' though - as this would indeed be one of those things that Sam might think of as 'magic' but which was just an inherent but usually dormant skill.
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