[The 1,000 Reader]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Morgoth had put a 'fell spirit' in Glaurung's body. And this is also something Sauron did with wolves, inhabitting spirits into wolf bodies. Because, in order to cause any sort of actual harm a spirit must have a body. You have not shown why the Dead Army would be any different.

The spirits could very well have just been the seeds of evil and hatred. Also, why wouldn't the spirits just make their own bodies?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But, there is no 'special terms' of the curse. Isildur just says in order for them to rest, they have to fulfill their oath to Gondor. Obviously, Aragorn thought they did this when they scared the Corsairs off the ship. And as luthien points out this is a form of killing. The Corsairs were filled with madness because of the Dead Army so they jumped, and died. And Aragorn believed that this fulfilled their oath.

They did cause chaos with their appearance, however, like I said, standing around looking scary isn't really fighting, and in the end the subject is still uncertain, as Gimil stated.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It sounds like you're making Isildur sound soft on them. It looks like you're saying Isildur pitied them and when he cursed them saying to lift it they had to fulfill their oath to Gondor, he wouldn't have placed a curse that made them unable to fulfill their pledge. And all I'm trying to say is Isildur could care less whether or not they were able to break the curse, because curses are a strong form of revenge. Isildur wanted to make sure they paid, and could care less if they couldn't break the curse he laid upon them.

I know what it sounds like, but the curse was made with exact words. Isildur wasn't thinking about the future, he just wanted them to suffer. It just came to be that he used those words, and so the curse would fall upon them.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

May I ask for some proof of this statement?

All the people who died in the books weren't able to interact with Middle-Earth at all save for the dead army.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And again, having no physical body means you can't touch, feel, punch, something that had a form. I was asked to support this, and I think I have given very reasonable (5 to be exact) where in order to fight with a tangible body, a spirit must have a form of it's own. Why is the Dead Army any different? You say because they were damned? So what, they had no body, show me where something without a body could hurt a being that did.

The dead army were the only spirits that were still bound to the realm of the living. With everyone else, once they died they were to move on to a different world, being powerless in Middle-Earth. The dead army, however, were still beings of Middle-Earth. Also, in countless tales of ghosts, objects fly through the air and beings are possessed. If a spirit can take over a person, I'm pretty sure that counts as physical interaction.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

This is Tolkien talking about the Nazgul's power of fear, even though the Nazgul weren't ghosts, I think it is the same type of fear the Dead Army inspired into the Corsairs. It was a 'ghost-like' fear. So, again, whoever said that the Dead Army were the only ghosts around town that could be seen? (And mind you we are told they were 'barely visible'.)

Tolkien pretty much said they were the only ghosts around, since everything else was an aniur, or a "zombie" so to speak. The nazgul were more like zombies. Also, if you're comparing the dead army to the nazgul, that's actually backing up the dead army's chances of physical interaction. Just pointing that out dude.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If that's your opinion, that's ok by me, you're entitled to it. I was asked to provide proof for me saying that the King of the Dead could not have killed the Witch-King, and I've done so. If it's your opinion that he could, that's your opinion...but it does help if you can support it.

I never said that the King of the Dead could kill the Witch-King, just that he could interact with the world. I've supported my opinion as well, so now there's nothing left for us to talk about, save for how Isildur managed to curse them in the first place.