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Old 04-17-2006, 10:49 AM   #277
Kitanna
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Kitanna is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.Kitanna is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
First off, I'd like to respond to Sleepy.
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She can be a rather aggressive player at times, in fact I believe shes been aggressive in all the games I've seen her play. Her silence disturbs me, could something be wrong? I don't know but I'd definately like to hear from her.
Indeed something is wrong, my lung has been coughed up and that is why I have not been around much. I'm not trying to fly under the radar.
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I'm almost certain Kitanna is an orc that and I've never liked players who are too aggressive. I'll probably vote for her or Naria today.
Why? Because I'm agressive? That's a day one excuse for trying to get someone lynched, not a day three reason.

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Interesting that the orcs would kill her over Zali. Why not go for the gifted rather than the known innocent?
I wondered at this myself. Were the orcs angry Spawn didn't bite the dust on Night two so they decided to go after her again. Now if Spawn was going to be a "safe" kill for them on Night Two it wouldn't make sense for them to try to kill her again on Night Three, unless they thought she knew something.
On Day One Spawn mostly suspected Roa and Diamond, but she mentioned Findëasëa and Sleepy. (But it appears Sleepy is innocent due to Nogrod's dream) Her mention of Findëasëa was quick and not so much of an accusation. Something like that could be enough to get the orcs attention.
On Day Two her first post was mostly defense against Nogrod's suspicions. She also mentioned Findëasëa again in her Day Two posts. Findëasëa is the only name Spawn brings up twice in an analysis. May mean something, it may not...
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Originally Posted by Findëasëa
If I were a wereorc, I would try as hard as possible to make my image separate from that of my fellows in the minds of the other players.
When villagers outline what they would do if they were werecreatures, I always feel a little unsettled. It's like "Hey, I would never do this to the village, therefore I'm not an orc."

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There's more interpretation than that, Nogrod. It's possible that Jenny didn't mention either of her fellow orcs, in hopes that we would focus away from them and onto these. I think a better question would be who isn't mentioned by her?

Then again, Jenny's clever. She may have counted on us not believing her, and so deliberately called her teammates for what they were.
One way or the other Jenny was trying to confuse us. I think she most likely named off one of her fellow orcs and kept the other one silent. Jenny's is clever and it's possible she was anticipating the village response. So, she gave us a list of names and she mentioned at least one teammate knowing we'd either look carefully at those she mentioned or those she didn't, but not both. Looking at everyone will be like repeating day one.
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I do find it interesting that she revealed Rangerness without really any prompting
I'm sure Zali will speak for herself on this, but perhaps she thought if we knew her role she'd have more credibility when it came to the dream.
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Though, now that I think about it, if they really thought Spawn was the Shaman, they'd know that Zali could protect her again, and would go right for the source.
The ranger isn't able to protect the same person two nights in a row though. So if the orcs thought Spawn was the shaman they should know she'd be unprotected the next night.
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1) Zali is an orc.
2) Both remaining orcs have more than one word in their name.
3) One of the orcs is male and another is experienced in the role.
4) Grendelien is an orc.
5) Findeasea is an orc.
6) Naria is an orc. (And she says this twice.)
While it's hard to say what is true and what is not I'd say number 1 is false. I feel Zali is innocent, though we can never be sure, I think she told us the truth about her role. Also I think of the other five "clues" Jenny left, number 3 will probably be the truest. Of all the others I think if any were to be true this one would be the one. I don't follow all the WW games, so I can't say who is experienced in the werecreature role. I think the part about one being a male is true, simply because the odds of the orcs all being one sex are slim.
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Sleepy is not an orc.
I'm glad Nogrod revealed the dream. I was far from convinced of Sleepy's innocence.
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If this is a lie it would be quite a risky move. It involves putting oneself at risk as a known innocent. If he is a wereorc, it could be a cleaver ploy in order to best win over the trust of the people of the village. Nogrod was one of the people yesterday who received enough votes early on to put him at risk for being lynched. I do not think that he would make a desperate move like this in order to defend himself from a lynching today.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. If Nogrod is an orc he could see reveals Sleepy as an innocent a way to clear his name. He reveals Sleepy because Sleepy has gathered suspicion today and if he saves Sleepy from the noose he'll look good. And should Sleepy die during the night (any night) Nogrod can always say "Well, I saved Sleepy from a lynching, why would I be foolish enough to kill him at night?"
Now I am not convinced of Nogrod's innocence at all. I believe he speaks the truth about Sleepy, but I have been weary of Nogrod since day one and his revealing the dream does nothing to take away my suspicions.
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Wait...! I just though of something! Could it be possible that Zali is in fact *not* the Ranger but the Shaman? Think about it, she came out as ranger to keep her shamaness self hidden. And she probably thought it may work to confuse the orcs. On another note if I'm wrong and the actual Shaman has dream about an orc would they please come out? I dunno I just have a feeling the Shaman is Celuien!
Ack! I discourage revealing who you think is the shaman because you just might be right. I have an idea who I think it might be, but for fear of being right I won't reveal it. The last thing I want is our shaman getting mauled in the night.
As for Zali being the shaman and just pretending to be the ranger I recall Fea trying something like that and it ended badly.
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