[Kitanna]

This will probably be my only post of the day.

the reasons were pretty bad, if you look at them closer)

I don't think Spawn's reasons for suspecting Roa are bad. I wasn't convinced of Roa's guilt because of them, but it did make me go back and have a look at her. I don't see Roa as a major threat right now, but I still wouldn't call Spawn's reasons bad.
[QUOTE]why on earth would an orc lie about the person dreamt of (and get caught by that)[/QUOTE
An orc that sacrifices him/herself in the right manner can lead his/her teammates to a victory. It's not always the case, but it's a possibility.

I'm automatically suspicious of her and automatically trusting of him. So should I trust my gut on these two or realize when I'm not objective enough? I hate to go against my gut, but I hate to be irrational

Diamond said this on the subject of Nogrod and Jenny. While I'm sure most of us have this feeling at the beginning of the game. I'm just worried because if we're wrong about our gut feelings, we could all be in a lot of trouble.

If I was a Seer or a Ranger or a Hunter or whatever, then maybe I'd been in a position to help the village, but as it stands, I know nothing. I really have no purpose in this game but to stay alive and try to figure out who is who.

I find this little bit from Diamond rather unsettling. Everyone in this villager (minus the orcs) is in a position to help. We can all help with well-thought out arguements and if we try to avoid random voting at all costs. Diamond saying she cannot really help the village. It unnerves me anyone would say that and a red flag goes up in my mind. I know bringing up other games is frowned upon, but I've seen Diamond play before and she has been far from unhelpful. So, why call attention to being "unhelpful"? What possible reason can she have to say that? What are you trying to hide yourself from, Diamond?
Also she keeps saying she is an ordo, but the more she says it the more I feel she is anything but an ordo. We all know you can say you're just an innocent villager until the cows come home, but it doesn't make it so. I had very little suspicions of Diamond until I read that post.

Now, if I was an orc, I wouldn't put a fellow Orc's name on the innocent list with only my own alongside. It's not good for the group mentality: what if something happened and I was lynched...then someone might connect us, and we'd be out two.

This little bit of Zali's gives me a little bit of suspicion. I find her relatively innocent, but that post raises a few questions. If Zali is an orc and we lynch her it would seem she's trying to say "if I was an orc I'd never be stupid enough to put my comrade's name on an innocent list." And we are thrown off and ignore Spawn (Spawn was the other name on the innocent list, right?) and it turns out Spawn was an orc all along. Now this is a pretty stupid theory because I don't think Zali would post something so careless if she were an orc. I'll be watching Zali a little closer now, but I don't find her suspicious enough to vote for.

True. It would make more sense for an orc to make an "innocent" pair with an innocent, though (knowing this) I wouldn't put it past a bold orc to point out a second member of the pack on an innocent list. Bluff and double bluff.

I see Celuien and I share the same opinion on this.

Voting more than anything reveals people's true agendas.

Not always, Diamond, not always. Voting does provide the village with a person's true agenda, but people can twist their vote to hide what they're really up to. Looking at votes is a good way to catch someone, but we have to keep in mind it is not foolproof.

Ack! So I've spent about an hour on this reading and commenting as I go, but now I have about three minutes to wrap things up and vote.

++ Diamond

I'm not overly suspicious of Diamond, but her unhelpful post really set off an alarm about her. The fact she said that really got me worried. I just can't shake it.