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Elu Ancalime · 04-06-2006, 08:04 PM

Although I think Tolkien knew what he was doing and new material would be beyond excitement, I like how everything ended fictionally speaking. Now I dont have a problem with Star Wars, but Im going to use it as an example. The six movies about Star Wars is can be seen in analogy to LotR structurally. The Fisrt three are the Silm and second age, and the last three the Hobbit, LotR, and all the stuff inbetween is, well, all the stuff inbetween. SO you see boundaries at Eru and the Death of Elassar compared to the beginning of Episode I, and the end of XI. But more books are made (referred to as Extened Universe) that are offshoots of the movie history and are kind of "off" as far as literature. Although the Death of the Emperor and Vader can be the End of the Conflict or climax, the books after wards mess that up. Because in one book the Emperor's spirit inhabits a clone of his physical self, and that really destroys the whole concept of Plot. Its very interesting and enjoyable, really! But....if something like The New Shadow came out, and it had an antagonist that was affecting something more than local, it would severly damage the Plot. Something talking about a rebellion in Rhun or something by unspecified character wouldnt damage the Plot, only the cannocality and "pureness." (I swear Im not a Nazi

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Somehow that isnt Tolkien-like. Sure you can argue that Lucas is still alive and Tolkien is not, but there isnt any new material that isnt purely made by Lucas anymore. So it is not "pure", if i may say. Tolkien is the real Eru, anything not made or justified by him is just....Not. Like some of the video games. In Battle for MIddle Earth 2, you get to play with Glorfindel and Gloin to name a few. The big example is Tom Bombadil. We all know him...but what if i told you this: In that game, you can "create" him, and he skips and turns when he moves across the map. He can attack! He does a "sonic sing" and it blasts through hordes of orcs! Now thats cool, but its not Tolkien obviously.

So really, the way Tolkien "stopped" (whether by his death or feint, I dont know), it really was "perfect" literature. Everthing cannocal is straight from hiim and unspecific influence on him. So Im going to be an orthodox conservative; nobody touches Tolkien's books.
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04-06-2006, 08:04 PM	#3
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Although I think Tolkien knew what he was doing and new material would be beyond excitement, I like how everything ended fictionally speaking. Now I dont have a problem with Star Wars, but Im going to use it as an example. The six movies about Star Wars is can be seen in analogy to LotR structurally. The Fisrt three are the Silm and second age, and the last three the Hobbit, LotR, and all the stuff inbetween is, well, all the stuff inbetween. SO you see boundaries at Eru and the Death of Elassar compared to the beginning of Episode I, and the end of XI. But more books are made (referred to as Extened Universe) that are offshoots of the movie history and are kind of "off" as far as literature. Although the Death of the Emperor and Vader can be the End of the Conflict or climax, the books after wards mess that up. Because in one book the Emperor's spirit inhabits a clone of his physical self, and that really destroys the whole concept of Plot. Its very interesting and enjoyable, really! But....if something like The New Shadow came out, and it had an antagonist that was affecting something more than local, it would severly damage the Plot. Something talking about a rebellion in Rhun or something by unspecified character wouldnt damage the Plot, only the cannocality and "pureness." (I swear Im not a Nazi ) Somehow that isnt Tolkien-like. Sure you can argue that Lucas is still alive and Tolkien is not, but there isnt any new material that isnt purely made by Lucas anymore. So it is not "pure", if i may say. Tolkien is the real Eru, anything not made or justified by him is just....Not. Like some of the video games. In Battle for MIddle Earth 2, you get to play with Glorfindel and Gloin to name a few. The big example is Tom Bombadil. We all know him...but what if i told you this: In that game, you can "create" him, and he skips and turns when he moves across the map. He can attack! He does a "sonic sing" and it blasts through hordes of orcs! Now thats cool, but its not Tolkien obviously. So really, the way Tolkien "stopped" (whether by his death or feint, I dont know), it really was "perfect" literature. Everthing cannocal is straight from hiim and unspecific influence on him. So Im going to be an orthodox conservative; nobody touches Tolkien's books. ________ Buy solo vaporizer Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:38 PM.