[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Who marshalled Lorien's forces? Who provided justification for the pair being there in the first place? For without Celeborn Galadriel had no de jure right to lord it over a Sindar/Silvan people

You are seriously suggesting that they would have turned their noses up at Galadriel without Celeborn being there? Don't make me laugh.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Celeborn too gave crucial advice, in a quiet, unflashy way.

Celeborn gave advice that any Tom, Dick or Aelfwine could have given. Helpful he may have been, but that does not an Elf the wisest make. His claims were over-inflated and thus he is a fraud.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Quite simply, boats-the single most vital gift for the Fellowship at that moment.

Again, helpful but hardly qualifying him as the greatest giver of gifts. Just ask Gimli who gave the better pressies out of the two. Once again, his claim is over-stated.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

It was won the moment Celeborn's army made the vital junction with Thranduil's-the Orcs, without Nazgul to lead them, were doomed thereafter.

Pure speculation. Had Galadriel not torn down the walls, the battle would have been prolonged and bloody. And, in any event, had others not gone to the effort of destroying the Ring, Celeborn wouldn't have stood a chance, even with the help of his missus.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

But my real problem with the case against Celeborn is not that it is false or illogical, but that it is trite and boring.

Did it occur to you that this may be because he is so dull that there is very little else to say about him?

And Celeborn hardly qualifies as an underdog with this audience of Elfophiles ...