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Old 03-01-2006, 08:05 AM   #437
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Originally Posted by Formendacil
So, if there's anyone foolish enough in this village to be the fool who follows a Fool, I'm saying go back to muttering about Farael.
I will follow the Fool.

On reflection, Farael’s plea and vote for himself makes little difference to my opinion of him. He does come across as genuine, but that is exactly how I would expect a Wolf to come across when making this kind of a play. What I find strange is that Farael has been under virtually no suspicion so far. Yet the moment that a strong case is made against him, he immediately throws up his hands, claims he is innocent but that his cause is hopeless and votes for himself. It all looks rather contrived to me, and I suspect that he has done it to try to head off any further suspicion that might come his way. It also, rather conveniently, enables him to hide his vote.

The only thing that makes me slightly cautious is that I felt much the same way about littlemanpoet, when he voted for himself. But I think that the case for Farael being a Wolf is much stronger.

However, I agree with those who have suggested looking more closely at all of the non-Eomer voters. That does not mean that the others are “off the hook” as far as I am concerned. But I think that there is almost certainly one Wolf, and most likely two, among those who did not vote for Eomer yesterday.

I will start with tar-ancalime, as I find her the next most suspicious-looking, after Farael. In reviewing her contributions, I have focussed on those things that stood out to me, one way or the other. Some of these points have already made, but I have tried to draw it all together.

Day 1

Her early posts mainly concerned the Seers (#22, #35, #36, #44). Although she suggested a moratorium on Seer talk, which I agreed with at the time, her contributions did rather serve to encourage it. Possibly a subtle way of diverting discussion away from finding Wolves, but nothing too suspicious.

She criticised spawn for her analysis post, which had apparently rubbed her up the wrong way, and indicated that she was likely to vote for spawn (#44). I am not sure why she responded quite so strongly to spawn’s post, but what is stranger (and looked strange to me at the time) is that, in response to no more than a brief explanation from spawn of the reason for her analysis (#46), she effectively took back what she had said, trying to explain it away by saying that she had been “gathering her thoughts”. If she was indeed gathering her thoughts, then she did so in very strong terms. Instead, she voted “randomly” for Eomer (#50). Increasingly, that looks to me like an early Wolf-on-Wolf vote, made at a time when Eomer was in no real danger. She has not voted for him since.

Eomer’s reaction to her vote is interesting, particularly the winking smilie:

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Originally Posted by Eomer @ #55
Tar-ancalime, my worthy healed child, what has this Priest (who prayed for you every day) ever done to deserve such a vote?
It may be nothing, but it struck me as the kind of response a Wolf might give to a Wolf-on-Wolf vote.

Then there is Holby’s vote to consider. As I see it, there are two possible explanations for Holby’s death. Either the Wolves simply struck lucky on Night 2, as we thought at the time, or tar is a wolf and interpreted Holby’s vote as indicating that she was the Seer. As far as I can see, nothing else that Holby said could possibly have identified her as the Seer. It occurs to me that, if Eomer and tar were Wolves together, then perhaps they thought from the fact that tar "got away" with killing Holby, that Eomer could get away with killing spawn.

Day 2

Tar's suggestion that her defence of Boro might be viewed as an “evil alliance” (#124) strikes me as curious. Why say that? To possibly implicate Boro if she was lynched?

Rather defensive in response to the charge of “flip-flopping” ( #161), and this does appear to have succeeded in diverting attention away from her at that time.

Day 3

Tar disagreed with Farael’s plan to vote for lmp to gain information on Aiwendil, but then put forward the idea of voting for those who were generating confusion, impliedly (to my mind) nodding towards lmp (#247). When she voted for lmp, she said that, since he seemed to have given up hunting Wolves, he was no longer useful (#285). I think that the Wolves had identified lmp as a likely lynch candidate for Day 3 and, given the circumstances at the time, her vote here looks rather opportunistic to me. She refused to cast her vote elsewhere when lmp disappeared (#289), although (if innocent) she would surely have had other suspicions.

Day 4

As suspicion gathered around Eomer, tar commented that the discussions had been much too single-minded so far (#340). A possible attempt to move the discussion away from Eomer? She also speculated that the three Wolves might all be “quiet ones”. Well, we know that one of them wasn’t.

Defensive in response to morm’s strong case against her (#357), although her comments here could be taken either way.

Eomer mildly defended her (#362), although he went on to vote for her (#380). I am not at all sure, however, that it follows from his vote that tar is innocent as, if she had been lynched and turned out to be a Wolf, it would have stood to Eomer’s credit.

She said that Eomer was playing his own game and was not allied to anyone (#370). Clearly, she was wrong about that, although it might have been an oblique attempt to defend him without looking too suspicious if he was lynched. Voted for Boro, which looks both good and bad for her, in light of his death the following night.

Eomer’s attempt to persuade Celuien to vote for tar by claiming to be the Ranger seemingly speaks in tar’s favour. But, as I have said, it could have been an elaborate ploy on Eomer's part to make her look better today, given that the chance of her being lynched in his place was, by that stage, minimal.

All in all, she still looks very suspicious to me.

Kath next …
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Last edited by The Saucepan Man; 03-01-2006 at 08:09 AM. Reason: Mixed up dream and vote re Holby
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