[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I have some rereading to do before I post more, but first, here are a few thoughts.

Holby's death. As others have said, she wasn't very clear about her dream. However, as most of you seem to think, I agree that she didn't accidentally blurt out anything that would have given away her role. So, either killing her was a random choice of the wolves or then they were after something.

Here's a little discussion I had with Holby.

Originally Posted by Holby #21

Now not always but it seems suspicious when a person wants to hang someone else that had made an arbitrary or even tacky accusation when everyone else feels that it was in jest. In my experience, sometimes the tattletail had done the worst offense.

(That was her answer to Aiwendil's question no.1)

Originally Posted by Holby #43

True, but what I was trying to explain as another wolvish behavior for example:a third person trying to get Mormegil lynched based solely on his obvious joking-type random accusations to get discussions started, especially if the village as a whole feels what Morm did was harmless-that third person seems wolvish.

First we were talking about general situations in a village, but then she took morm as her example (with the italicized 'obvious'). She could have dreamed of him, but it's not certain. Why, morm might be a wolf who thought it would be convenient to kill someone who has just supported him because it would be so silly that no one in full possession of their senses would suspect him because of that.... I mean... Oh, well. (No, I don't find morm suspicious now.)

Now, there's the framing up option. As some of you should know, it's not always a frame-up if a villager's death clearly points at someone. I wouldn't disregard the possibility that either tar-a or Lhuna could be a wolf who got scared of Holby's suspicions. There were other people, too, suspecting those two, but Holby had been pretty quiet about her opinions of other villagers until the post when she voted, so it didn't leave that many clues.


That's it about Holby. I should probably warn you that I'm going to do a summary again as soon as I can whether you like it or not. If you feel that I'm only summarizing what has happened, read between the lines (both literally and figuratively speaking) and you'll see that my opinions are pretty clearly out there. Oh, and so that no one would feel manipulated by the "long post = poster is innocent, short post = poster is guilty" fallacy, I can divide it into smaller pieces if you want to.