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Old 02-15-2006, 12:46 AM   #19
Gurthang
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Originally Posted by Raynor
I admit that english isn't my first language, but how do you view the quote I provided as strengthening your case? Before I bring other arguments, do I understand correctly that you reject the idea that Men have free will?
I'm actually borderline on that topic. I can definitely see points in either direction, but I am probably leaning towards Men not having Free Will, as in not independant from Eru's plan. This probably comes from my own belief, though, that God has a plan and everything is set within that plan. Hence, our every action is already dictated and is 'fate'.

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Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund
[Ulmo: ]But behold! in the armour of Fate (as the Children of Earth name it) there is ever a rift, and in the walls of Doom a breach . . . Yet Doom is strong . . . And now the Curse of Mandos hastens to its fulfilment, and all the works of the Noldor shall perish, and every hope which they build shall crumble. The last hope alone is left, the hope that they have not looked for and have not prepared. And that hope lieth in thee; for so I have chosen.
UT I 1--emphases mine
There is an rift in the armour of Fate. The Music of the Ainur is as fate to all things else, except Men. Hmmm . . .
This, to me at least, strengthens my theory. It says there is a rift in the armour of Fate, a gap if you will in the Music that is as fate to all but Men. So there are gaps in the Music the Ainur played, and the roles of Men is to fill in those gaps. And the filling in of these gaps will bring out a whole product (Music plus gaps filled by Men) that is the whole plan of Eru.

There are some other things I like that I am hearing, and would like to respond to, but I should be getting some sleep.
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