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Elu Ancalime · 12-20-2005, 08:28 PM

I havent had time to read every post, so if i repeat something, forgive me. I find it interesting of the christian related hype. The Chronicels of Narnia do have the christian themes, obviously, but credit goes to Tolkien also.
CS Lewis and Tolkien were in the same 'book' group', of authors that compared their storys. I belive this was before they were 'huge' successes. Tolkien was a christian, and Lewis was an athiest. Lewis became a christian, party with his affiliation with Tolkien, and became one of the biggest christian childrens story authors. What i suppose was never mentioned to much or just over looked were the christian themes in LotR.
-Mordor is seen as a hellish place that 'none return from', and those who enter suffer.
-A dark lord who corrupts men against the true Powers (substitute Eru for God, although that is not a true comparison between them)
-The Return of the King" Jesus could be seen as Aragorn returning to the 'throne' to unite the ppls against the dark power, in a time of apocolyptic destruction.
-Gandalf, as a physical representation of Jesus. He,, as a wizard, seem slike a great physical appearance of Jesus, even though he was crucified in his thirties. Gandalf sacrificed his life to save others(balrog-fellowship) and was sent back by (God-Eru)
-The Dagor Dagorath. The Last battle in which Melko will be defeated for the last time by Manwe, and the world of Arda will be broken. agsain seen as the apocolypse.
-Ar-Pharazon. Leading his people against the (Valar-God), but only because of the (corruption of sauron-temptation of Satan)
-Aman and Heaven. This is Vauge like Eru-God relationship, but can be seen, as no mortals enter it. (as in you die before you can enter heaven)
-The Gospel According to Tolkien explains this well

Since this is a religous post, i expect a lot of contrversy and negitive feedback. I myself am a methodist, which is cristian, so my post might be biased. This isnt agsint any religoin, or to promote chritianity, but what i've observed in Tolkiens works. I dont belive everything the bible says; i just havent decided. However this my bias my post.....Many books have cristian themes such as good vs evil, or a hellish dark lord vs a savior fo peple, but i think there is a lot of symbolism in the books. Tolkien meant to create his own literary world, and while his books have christian allusions in them, he did not intend for them as directly as Lewis did. I assume because he was christian, he was biased all the same in a way he might not have realized until after writing hisbooks; he just wrote his won works, with what e had been taught.

Other than that, i am interested in what you think of this. Sorry if it might be off topic.
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12-20-2005, 08:28 PM	#42
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	I havent had time to read every post, so if i repeat something, forgive me. I find it interesting of the christian related hype. The Chronicels of Narnia do have the christian themes, obviously, but credit goes to Tolkien also. CS Lewis and Tolkien were in the same 'book' group', of authors that compared their storys. I belive this was before they were 'huge' successes. Tolkien was a christian, and Lewis was an athiest. Lewis became a christian, party with his affiliation with Tolkien, and became one of the biggest christian childrens story authors. What i suppose was never mentioned to much or just over looked were the christian themes in LotR. -Mordor is seen as a hellish place that 'none return from', and those who enter suffer. -A dark lord who corrupts men against the true Powers (substitute Eru for God, although that is not a true comparison between them) -The Return of the King" Jesus could be seen as Aragorn returning to the 'throne' to unite the ppls against the dark power, in a time of apocolyptic destruction. -Gandalf, as a physical representation of Jesus. He,, as a wizard, seem slike a great physical appearance of Jesus, even though he was crucified in his thirties. Gandalf sacrificed his life to save others(balrog-fellowship) and was sent back by (God-Eru) -The Dagor Dagorath. The Last battle in which Melko will be defeated for the last time by Manwe, and the world of Arda will be broken. agsain seen as the apocolypse. -Ar-Pharazon. Leading his people against the (Valar-God), but only because of the (corruption of sauron-temptation of Satan) -Aman and Heaven. This is Vauge like Eru-God relationship, but can be seen, as no mortals enter it. (as in you die before you can enter heaven) -The Gospel According to Tolkien explains this well Since this is a religous post, i expect a lot of contrversy and negitive feedback. I myself am a methodist, which is cristian, so my post might be biased. This isnt agsint any religoin, or to promote chritianity, but what i've observed in Tolkiens works. I dont belive everything the bible says; i just havent decided. However this my bias my post.....Many books have cristian themes such as good vs evil, or a hellish dark lord vs a savior fo peple, but i think there is a lot of symbolism in the books. Tolkien meant to create his own literary world, and while his books have christian allusions in them, he did not intend for them as directly as Lewis did. I assume because he was christian, he was biased all the same in a way he might not have realized until after writing hisbooks; he just wrote his won works, with what e had been taught. Other than that, i am interested in what you think of this. Sorry if it might be off topic. ________ Ferrari 312 Specifications Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 10:23 PM.