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***Mithadan*** · 10-13-2000, 06:53 AM

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Re: the white is stronger than the Grey. Why?

The difference is that Saruman died but was not allowed to return to the west. If he were able to rebuild his body, he would be weaker not stronger for having to expend whatever remained of his power on forming his body. He had already expended much power in controlling and breeding his orcs and armies and making his "ring". After Gandalf broke Saruman's staff (symbolic or a real blow to his power?) Saruman did not have much gas left.

Gandalf's body was reformed for him, and his power was increased (or he was allowed to use and show more of it). By whom was Gandalf assisted? This is one of JRRT's mysteries. Some say Eru did it because Gandalf does not say he returned to the West. Others feel the Valar assisted him.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

10-13-2000, 06:53 AM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 204</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: the white is stronger than the Grey. Why? The difference is that Saruman died but was not allowed to return to the west. If he were able to rebuild his body, he would be weaker not stronger for having to expend whatever remained of his power on forming his body. He had already expended much power in controlling and breeding his orcs and armies and making his "ring". After Gandalf broke Saruman's staff (symbolic or a real blow to his power?) Saruman did not have much gas left. Gandalf's body was reformed for him, and his power was increased (or he was allowed to use and show more of it). By whom was Gandalf assisted? This is one of JRRT's mysteries. Some say Eru did it because Gandalf does not say he returned to the West. Others feel the Valar assisted him. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.