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Originally Posted by malkatoj
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Though in the end, Arwen's decision is entirely her own (only because Elrond actually can't make it for her), Elrond tries to convince her otherwise the entire way.
Which leads more into what I'm saying. Arwen chooses, despite the fact that her father tries constantly to convince her not to, to stay. I guess I'm being repetitive here--I just think that, after being repressed for so long, it would be difficult for her to make such a huge decision right away.
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I have to disagree with Malkatoj, I feel that the Elrond/Arwen situation is not as "repressive" as it seems. I think it is a matter of what has always been done, Elrond and Arwen are elves, elves either stay or leave Middle-Earth. Except for one example they marry their own kind, if at all.
I see (movie) Elrond trying to protect Arwen from future heartache in a choice that is binding forever. Even to the extent in causing her short term heartache by not being with the man she loves.
Also, I think Arwen HAS made up her mind all the while of what she wants to do, but feels duty (and love) bound to carry out her father's wishes. It is when she has a vision of one of her children (thereby understanding there will be children) that she finds her courage and resolve to do what she needs to do, not so much to defy or rebel against her father but be strong for her (future) children.
Her maternal instincts were awaken and by following her father's wishes she is not fighting for her children. What's the most dangerous place to be? Between a mother and her child(ren).
I'm going to jump to hobbits right now:
Gaffer/Sam and Bilbo/Frodo
Hobbits in general are more laid back than any other race. Not surprising as they are well protected, don't have to battle like 'men', and aren't as regal like 'elves'. Even the hobbits' positons of power are more down to earth than the kings and queens of other realms.
Frodo and Sam are also males, assuming things are the same as in the 'time period' it represents, males were afforded more freedom of choice and 'be their own man'.
Yes, Pippin listened to Gandalf because he was the leader, but I do agree with Feanor of the 'grouchy old man' that one comes to love.
I'm leaving Denethor/sons alone.
Theodon/Eowyn:
This is interesting because on one hand Theoden is more calm about Eowyn's love choice. There's nothing much to gripe about, Aragorn's the same race and rightful king to Gondor. I do believe that Theoden genuinely is concerned about Eowyn's happiness, in a mate. But he did not allow her to go to war even though that would make her happy. Because that was the thinking in that time, woman's place was to get married, taken care of by husband and have children.
I like Theoden but he is not as concerned abouyt Eowyn's overall happiness, just try to find the right suitor for his daughter as Elrond is trying to do for Arwen.