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Faramir, clearly, is simply trying to prove himself.~malktoj
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I agree. I think this goes into further explain why Faramir decided to take Frodo to Osgiliath as well.
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B, I like your topic. Ye've gone and made me think a bit about my parents and my other "parents".~Fea
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I'm glad you enjoy it.
I like what you said about Elrond and Arwen. I think throughout we do get to see that Arwen doesn't despise, or dislike her father, but she's just committed to Aragorn, and her love for him is what gets it through.
Is it TTT when we see him tell her she's going to the Undying Lands, and despite this, she still says "I love you dad" in Elvish. So, I just think it was a matter that Arwen's love for Aragorn brought her back, but she still loved pa.
We even get to see Elrond like this in the books to some extent. When he tells Aragorn that only a King of Gondor will be worthy enough to marry my daughter. I think the books dramatize this a bit, but in the end he accepts Aragorn as worth.
To Elrond it seems as if it's got to be somebody of worth (and even more it's got to be the King of Gondor), perhaps it was a test to Aragorn to see how much he really loved Arwen? What was he willing to do for her?
To Theoden, he's much more relaxed. His only concern is whether Eowyn's happy or not, even when times are dark, Theoden wants to be happy-happy-joy-joy. He sees what he thinks is "love" between Eowyn and Aragorn (though we know Eowyn wants things from Aragorn that he cannot give), but if Aragorn makes Eowyn happy, then Theoden says go for it. Once he realizes that it was a false sense of love, he doesn't want her to waste away her life thinking about him, and that she is still young.
So basically, Theoden wants Eowyn to be happy, no matter who she is with. With Elrond and Arwen, it seems that it has to be somebody worthy of her daughters love, and that person would truly do anything for Arwen. Which, I think is understandable, Arwen is facing a tough choice, and Elrond doesn't want her to forsake her immortality for a guy that might not love her.
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Hmmm. Boro88, are you suggesting that Jackson has issues with his own father, that he transcribes into his art by bringing this father/child theme into prominence in the movies?~Bethberry
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Interesting, I did not know that, I think it seems to be the case. As it seems that the real parent-child (Denethor- his sons, Elrond and Arwen) seem to be more controlling over what their children do, or even a point to show the influence parents have on the way their children become and act in the future? Where the not "natural" parent-child relationships just seem more relaxed and not so controlling. Theoden still acts like a father to Eowyn, but it's not in the way that he controls what she does or says. Same with Bilbo and Frodo I think.
The Gaffer-Sam one I will have to look into, I don't own the EE's and haven't seen the FOTR one in years.