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symestreem · 12-31-2003, 11:24 AM

Good quote, Amarie. Not having read the HoME, I hadn't seen it. But I don't think it applies to Dior, for a simple reason: he was dead. "At that time, all those who had mortal blood were mortal..." but he had already been slain by the sons of Feanor. My impression is of Manwe basically saying: OK, this is getting out of hand, here's how it will be from now on. From what I read of the Sil even the Valar had trouble deciding this: "Shall mortal Man step living upon the undying lands, and yet live?"... "And answer unto me: whether is he Earendil Tuor's son of the line of Hador, or the son of Idril, turgon's daughter, of the Elven-house of Finwe?"
If Dior is mortal, than there are many discrepancies; for example, why would a people that did not allow men to aid them count one as their king? Does anyone know what relation Nimloth was to Celeborn? From there we may be able to establish whether she was Caliquendi or Moriquendi. If she was Eldar, and Dior was mortal, their marriage is not listed among the unions of Edain and Eldar in Appendices of RotK.

OK, I answered my own question: it doesn't matter, because either way she was Eldar, and so if Dior was mortal their marriage would probably have been listed under unions of Eldar and Edain.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:25 PM January 01, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ]

12-31-2003, 11:24 AM	#20
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Good quote, Amarie. Not having read the HoME, I hadn't seen it. But I don't think it applies to Dior, for a simple reason: he was dead. "At that time, all those who had mortal blood were mortal..." but he had already been slain by the sons of Feanor. My impression is of Manwe basically saying: OK, this is getting out of hand, here's how it will be from now on. From what I read of the Sil even the Valar had trouble deciding this: "Shall mortal Man step living upon the undying lands, and yet live?"... "And answer unto me: whether is he Earendil Tuor's son of the line of Hador, or the son of Idril, turgon's daughter, of the Elven-house of Finwe?" If Dior is mortal, than there are many discrepancies; for example, why would a people that did not allow men to aid them count one as their king? Does anyone know what relation Nimloth was to Celeborn? From there we may be able to establish whether she was Caliquendi or Moriquendi. If she was Eldar, and Dior was mortal, their marriage is not listed among the unions of Edain and Eldar in Appendices of RotK. OK, I answered my own question: it doesn't matter, because either way she was Eldar, and so if Dior was mortal their marriage would probably have been listed under unions of Eldar and Edain. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:25 PM January 01, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ] __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.