[Folwren]

Conjecture! Your Honour, we are dealing with FACTS, not with random conjecture. The fact is that Faramir DID in fact let the One Ring slip by, in direct contravention of his Lord's will, as well as being the most reckless move one could make in a war that his people were already losing terribly. It's all very well to say that in the end it was better, the fact is that at the time of occurrence, this action was reckless and disobedient.

Disobedient to what? To a man who was half mad with the want of power! Faramir knew that his father was insane in his lust! Besides that, in law there is no such thing as 'at the time of occurance'. All that matters is the final outcome.
Besides that, if you want to press your case if disobedience, the take into mind that during War, different choices have to be made. A law has to have an exception, right? In order to be an actual law? That was an acception. This was a special case. Faramir didn't have time to run back home and ask the steward if he could let thse Hobbits go. He knew there wasn't any time to take them to Denethor, either. Time was running short. It was a War. It happens like that sometimes.

Might I remind you that we only have Faramir's word for this- and of his brother Boromir in Rivendell. Boromir is well known for his affection for his brother, and would very likely have tried to present him in a better light. Again, I ask you to look at the FACTS. And the fact is that Faramir remained in Gondor while Boromir went to Rivendell.

You disgust me.

'It was the Lord of the City that gave the errand to him.' -Faramir

'Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed for myself.' -Denethor

Denethor, who did not look kindly upon Faramir, nor wish to make him look good, said that it was he who had sent Boromir off on the errand. Faramir would have gone. He offered himself to go, but his father refused. These are facts.

I am not saying that the others are any better! Note that Sam and Aragorn have already been removed. And furthermore, although Boromir does not mention Faramir- despite being as reputedly close to him as Sam to his Gaffer- he makes no mention of him, perhaps having nothing good to say, although he mentions his much-maligned father several times.

Sam and Aragorn are gone due not to these things, but for certain persons likes or dislikes.
There was no occasion to mention Faramir, that is why. Simple reasoning. You keep stabbing me for not using Facts, but this is certainly something that is completely assumed. Anyone can see right through this argument.

Not being a woman, I cannot answer that. However, history shows many records of men seducing or forcing women into their arms. As well as many records of women chosing to marry with no love on their part.

Not in the history of the Shieldmaiden. I will remind you, Eowyn was no weakling and not one likely to be seduced or forced to do anything she didn't want to do in respect of that.
I know from personal experience (not my own experience...) that women who are about to marry someone they don't love don't act like Eowyn did.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury! You have seen the evidence from both sides of the floor, and it is unlikely that you will find this courtroom of one mind. But I should like to remind you of the consequences of keeping Faramir in this game!

This is the Middle-Earth Forum, and we are to abide by its rules. The Prime Directive of these rules is "humour". We are lawfully bound to amuse and entertain- and even to be random.

By keeping Faramir in this game, you are deliberately aiding and abetting this rule-breaking felon in his attempt to bring this game to a competition between men only. You will be upsetting the balance of the tribes no matter which way you choose otherwise. Unless you vote off another Man, the unpredictability and randomness, indeed the very humour, of this game will be broken.

Ha! Deliberately aiding!

I'll remind you that anything I join in, it often because a debate. Take the Werewolf Game I played, Favorite Hobbits, and now this. Humour? I enjoy debating...it amuses me.

The bloc defending Faramir right now is as unjust and selfish as the bloc that defended Celeborn. It is a self-righteous bloc determined to see their man win at all costs, regardless of whether the humour of this game suffers.

You're not supposed to insult the opposing attorney! That goes totally against the laws of this court room.

I beseech you all, therefore, to remove this unsightly blight on our game, and all vote for the removal of Faramir.

I seriously don't mind another man being taken out, but why Faramir? Get Hama....he's more deserving of your dislikes.

The Jury will decide. Neither of us have the final say.

Faramir should stay, and by the looks of things, the people are agreeing with me.

-- Folwren