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Saulotus · 09-27-2000, 10:45 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Did the Valar abandon Middle Earth - Third Age?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Then why does Akallabeth talk about the Numenoreans sailing east and glimpsing "from their high prows the Gates of Morning in the East"?<hr></blockquote>
Gates of the East are a mountain range on lands they could not sail past, north to south, with no opening in land to sail past. AFAIK in either version you wish to accept, these lands are the Americas.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Also, it discusses the Dunedain sailing West after the fall and coming to "new lands" and saying "all roads are now bent."<hr></blockquote>
New lands are quite obvious. Since Xenite is down ATM, I'll be happy to repost the points here.
"All roads are now bent" is also obvious. Since the "Straight Road" cannot be taken, (i.e. cannot sail straight) they must be.... bent, especially if they can now sail West. This statement is attributed to Men's conclusions (sailors) and not a statement of fact. As I pointed out earlier, as far back as 1945 with ANADUNE, the world is round with SAURON teaching that it is flat. This is to incorporate such 'mythology' into the world as a tie to OUR own ancient myths. All versions of ANADUNE/AKALLABETH no longer use the flat to round terminology or concept, only that Valinor is removed from the circles of the world and is not within physical reality anymore.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Am I looking at the wrong Akallabeth? I know there's another version but CT doesn't go into detail about it other than to say it appears to be a later conception.<hr></blockquote>
For the most part it is correct. Some omissions, and editorial changes. Note this sentence from Christopher:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> C.R.Tolkien
THE HISTORY OF AKALLABETH
"The Silmarillion text was of course that of B2 (with the corrections made in C), but as I have said a number of editorial changes were made, for various reasons, but mostly in the quest (somewhat excessively pursued, as I now think) for coherence and consistency with other writings."<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Welcome back btw. Where've you been?<hr></blockquote>
I didn't go anywhere.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000133>Saulotus </A> at: 9/27/00 1:06:12 pm

09-27-2000, 10:45 AM	#16
Saulotus Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 346	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 75</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Did the Valar abandon Middle Earth - Third Age? <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Then why does Akallabeth talk about the Numenoreans sailing east and glimpsing "from their high prows the Gates of Morning in the East"?<hr></blockquote> Gates of the East are a mountain range on lands they could not sail past, north to south, with no opening in land to sail past. AFAIK in either version you wish to accept, these lands are the Americas. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Also, it discusses the Dunedain sailing West after the fall and coming to "new lands" and saying "all roads are now bent."<hr></blockquote> New lands are quite obvious. Since Xenite is down ATM, I'll be happy to repost the points here. "All roads are now bent" is also obvious. Since the "Straight Road" cannot be taken, (i.e. cannot sail straight) they must be.... bent, especially if they can now sail West. This statement is attributed to Men's conclusions (sailors) and not a statement of fact. As I pointed out earlier, as far back as 1945 with ANADUNE, the world is round with SAURON teaching that it is flat. This is to incorporate such 'mythology' into the world as a tie to OUR own ancient myths. All versions of ANADUNE/AKALLABETH no longer use the flat to round terminology or concept, only that Valinor is removed from the circles of the world and is not within physical reality anymore. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Am I looking at the wrong Akallabeth? I know there's another version but CT doesn't go into detail about it other than to say it appears to be a later conception.<hr></blockquote> For the most part it is correct. Some omissions, and editorial changes. Note this sentence from Christopher: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> C.R.Tolkien THE HISTORY OF AKALLABETH "The Silmarillion text was of course that of B2 (with the corrections made in C), but as I have said a number of editorial changes were made, for various reasons, but mostly in the quest (somewhat excessively pursued, as I now think) for coherence and consistency with other writings."<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Welcome back btw. Where've you been?<hr></blockquote> I didn't go anywhere. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000133>Saulotus </A> at: 9/27/00 1:06:12 pm*