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alatar · 09-13-2005, 06:06 AM

Was watching the second disk of ROTK:EE last night (wasn't everybody?), and found yet more to add to the list:

The scene at the Gate. First off, just how big is the Gate? When Grond and the three trolls burst through, it seems to be 20-30 feet across at most. Yet when the army of darkness enters after the trolls, it seems to be about 200 yards across as the number of enemy is way too many to have entered through such a small gate. And if I were Gandalf, I would have plugged the Gate with dead enemy instead of standing back and allowing them to enter the city. Theoden and his men met the enemy at the Gate at Helm's Deep as they tried to enter; maybe Gandalf woud have learned something had he hung around in TTT.

After this we have the wonderful dialogue of Captain Gandalf. "Fight for your lives!" "Evacuate the women and children!" "Retreat to the Second Circle!" "Wear a sweater so you don't catch a chill!" along with other wisdom. But suddenly there's something more important to do than to ride around stating the obvious - save Faramir! In the books, as no enemy had entered the city, Gandalf's decision to leave the battle makes some sense, as he wasn't engaged and no one else could save Faramir. In the movie, however, the city is being overrun and the situation looks to be pretty hopeless. Now why is the life of Faramir so important? The city could be completely overrun, making Gandalf's attempt vain. Or as he leaves the battle, he abandons not only the soldiers who obviously need his bits of wisdom but also the women and children who seem to be retreating as well. Why are these people less important?

09-13-2005, 06:06 AM	#36
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Was watching the second disk of ROTK:EE last night (wasn't everybody?), and found yet more to add to the list: The scene at the Gate. First off, just how big is the Gate? When Grond and the three trolls burst through, it seems to be 20-30 feet across at most. Yet when the army of darkness enters after the trolls, it seems to be about 200 yards across as the number of enemy is way too many to have entered through such a small gate. And if I were Gandalf, I would have plugged the Gate with dead enemy instead of standing back and allowing them to enter the city. Theoden and his men met the enemy at the Gate at Helm's Deep as they tried to enter; maybe Gandalf woud have learned something had he hung around in TTT. After this we have the wonderful dialogue of Captain Gandalf. "Fight for your lives!" "Evacuate the women and children!" "Retreat to the Second Circle!" "Wear a sweater so you don't catch a chill!" along with other wisdom. But suddenly there's something more important to do than to ride around stating the obvious - save Faramir! In the books, as no enemy had entered the city, Gandalf's decision to leave the battle makes some sense, as he wasn't engaged and no one else could save Faramir. In the movie, however, the city is being overrun and the situation looks to be pretty hopeless. Now why is the life of Faramir so important? The city could be completely overrun, making Gandalf's attempt vain. Or as he leaves the battle, he abandons not only the soldiers who obviously need his bits of wisdom but also the women and children who seem to be retreating as well. Why are these people less important? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.