[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

And there was nothing pointing to him being a seer and rather clever of him to act as if he was talking to someone else therefore throwing the werecreatures in another direction, plain and simple, he got it cause he's too smart. Same with Mormegil.

I tend to agree with this. The Wolves got lucky. And the Bear was probably trying to kill a Wolf and picked the wrong person (which would tend to point towards Kath). If s/he wasn't then s/he should have been, and certainly should now.

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

I am very certain of the innocence of one person (other than myself)

It would be nice if you would share your thoughts on this.

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

... and not that I'm suspicious of you, SaucePan Man but I'll be nice and look-over the posts that may clear you.

OK. I'll give you some help.

As Cailín points out, the phantom specifically identified mormegil and I as experienced and outspoken villagers:

Originally Posted by the phantom

I say this because loud people always give you information to work with. Everyone knows that I am going to say plenty. The Saucepan Man and mormegil are also known for being extremely outspoken. This means that we are going to provide you with evidence to use either for us or against us. You will have an idea of where we stand.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Note that the bear did not go after one of the people who have a lot of experience with this sort of thing (SPM, morm, or I, for example).

Originally Posted by the phantom

The fact is, as "clever" as Saucy and I are, the most we can do is analyse, which is not nearly as dangerous to the wolves as what a gifted can do to them ...

It seems logical that he would dream of those that he considered to be dangerous if lyncanthropic.

I would also expect the phantom to give anyone who dared accuse him of beastliness quite a going over. As he said himself:

Concerning morm, you could very well be right but I'm inclined to disagree. morm has been in a village with me before, and so he knows that I sometimes have a tendancy to snap back at people who point a finger at me- and that I'm pretty good at convincing the rest of the village to go along with me.

Both mormegil and I voiced suspicions of him, and yet he did not bite back. Rather, a number of his comments indicate that he was inclined to trust us:

Originally Posted by the phantom

I don't really think people are following us [the phantom/SpM]. I am merely providing as much analysis as I possibly can and I am also trying to feel other people out and determine who I might want to follow, or at least give a long listen to.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Really, SP, I was hoping that we could, for once, work together without turning on each other. I think you are, perhaps, too scared of me to do such a thing. It's too bad, because you are not on my suspect list and even if you were I'd be willing to let you hang around longer than my other suspects in case you were innocent so that I could benefit from your (usually) good observations.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I don't believe I have ever been overly hostile to SP yesterday or today, and so I have not distanced myself "dramatically" as you put it.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I doubt he would have been willing to point a finger at Sauce and I the way he did if he was a wolf or bear. No, no- he would've done all he could to avoid becoming my opponent and would follow my lead so long as I was on the wrong trail (which everyone is on early in the game).

If you review his posts, you will see that mormegil and I were really the only villagers who he spoke of in a reasonably positive light - save for one comment about Shelob, whom he said he had no real reason to suspect.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

And look how he presses his innocence by claiming that the phantom dreamed of him ...

Yes, I am seeking to establish my innocence. But I am not doing so for selfish reasons. Indeed, if I am low in people's suspicions, is more likely that I will be targeted by the beasts. I am doing it because I am in a position to do so and I think that it may be helpful for those who are innocent to have as many people that they feel they can trust (or at least put to the bottom of their suspect lists) as possible.

Originally Posted by Nilp again

You are not that high on my suspect list, but I think you are not definitely innocent. Just wanted to say that.

I don't expect anyone to clear me entirely on the basis of the phantom's comments. But I do think that it would be foolish to waste your time worrying about one of the few people about whom their is solid (if not decisive) evidence of innocence.

Originally Posted by Nilp once more

But hopefully, this statement by tp might save you:

That statement no more clears Glirdan than does the fact that morm, Cailin and I thought him innocent but easily swayed. I very much doubt that the phantom dreamed of Glirdan. And I, for one, am beginning to think that this "agreeing with everyone" thing is more of an act than it at first appeared.

Nilp, I am not entrely sure why you chose to reveal yourself. Glirdan's comment didn't seem to me to necessitate it. He was always very unlikely to be the other shirriff. It's your choice of course, but it seemed to me rather too early to do so in circumstances where you were not under any particular suspicion and unlikely to be lynched. A known innocent would have been much more useful later in the game, with less beasts about (assuming that we get that far), but it is alas now quite likely that you will die to-Night.

Originally Posted by Shelob

My guess would be that either the phantom was hitting to close to home for the werewolves to feel comfortable, or that they were just trying to get rid of someone who was, to them, a nuisance and, to the rest of the village, a help.

The phantom made few accusations. A sensible course, given his role. But if he did hit near the mark, that would tend to put Azaelia in the frame, since he seems to have suspected her the most.

Originally Posted by Cailín

First off, I want to apologize for being part of lynching Alcarillo.

Hey, don't worry. Innocents are bound to vote for other innocents. It is inevitable. I played my part too by suggesting that Alcarillo's death would give us information either way. And actually I think that it did (although it's a shame that he attracted quite so many votes).

There are, howver, two (and only two) villagers who have voted for a known innocent on each of the previous Days:

Azaelia of Willowbottom and
Glirdan.

Originally Posted by Cailín

It's a bit too early to start accusing today.

It may be too early to start voting (unless, like Nilp, you are unlikely to be around later), but it's never too early to start accusing. The more everyone's thoughts are shared as the Day progresses, the better shape we will be in when the time comes to vote.