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Old 09-20-2000, 01:08 AM   #10
Saulotus
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Re: Magic in Middle-earth

I always have better ideas than what I say in limited form dude. I try to stay within facts, even when speculatin.

Facts: The Mouth is a Black Numenorean who has forgotten his own name, has burning red eyes, a sorceror, is not a ringwraith, is very much alive and who entered the service of Sauron when Barad-dur first arose again.

Speculation:

Black Numenoreans aren't around anymore. From T.A. 1447 or before as the Numenoreans of Umbar are called Corsairs after the Kin-strife. Black Numenoreans are pretty much decimated and removed as a force in T.A. 933.

We are told that he took service when Barad-dur first arose again. Barad-dur is rebuilt in T.A. 2951 so this is a real unlikely time for the Mouth to enter his service as it's only like 70 some years prior and long after (2,000 years or so) the time of the Black Numenoreans.
The only other available time for him to enter service is S.A. 3320 when Sauron returns to Barad-dur as conqueror instead of outwardly defeated tyrant. This makes him a Second Age Black Numenorean and around 3,200 years old (old enough to have forgotten his own name).

I speculated on another board that Herumor might be a candidate for the Mouths identity. It would prolly be like more apt to be Fuinur tho. Herumor was a nice idea to tie in with the NEW SHADOW, but Fuinur is the more likely choice in all reality of named and important Black Numenoreans. The name Herumor is known in the Fourth Age, so it doesn't get as high marks as Fuinur. Both these are high ranking Black Numenoreans in the service of Sauron in the Second Age and are nearly equal in choice for the Mouths original name.

The red eyes are significant signs of Sorcery. I posted a quick concept on Magic use earlier, so this like more or less comes under that usage and rules since he is still mortal.

There ya go.

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