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Old 08-13-2005, 11:09 AM   #9
Morsul the Dark
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I believe it was Bilbo Sam or Gandalf Probably one of the latter seeing how much Bilbo craved it it would be difficult for him to return it to Frodo the reason I believe it is one of these three is because of a certain pattern

9 nazgul
9 fellowship members
and
9 bearers
to quote myself and saucepanman i modify my theory

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Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man
Well, since Tolkien never gave us a definitive answer (absent any undiscovered manuscripts), I would say that Gothmog could be any of the three. It's down to the reader.

On that basis, my vote is for Nazgul since, in an old War of the Ring game that I have, he is depicted as one. And so, I have considered him to be a Nazgul for some 25 years and I am not about to change my mind now.

But even applying logic to the situation, my answer holds. I would expect the second-in-command at Minas Morgul and in the assault on Gondor to be of similar power to the commander (ie the Witch-King). Khamul, as the Lieutenant of Dol Goldur, was almost certainly directing the assaults on Lorien, the second of which occured on the same day as the Battle of the Pelennor. I would therefore conclude that the Witch-King's second-in-command was one of the other Nazgul.
Thinking about it on the way home from work

if gothmog was a nazgul then perhaps we can count bill as the tenth fellowship member considering the fact sam basicly considered him human(at least in spirit) to counted in with the rest

then the pattern becomes 10,10,10

a tenth bearer...Elrond would be most logical from what ive read
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