[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I rather THOUGHT that was what you were intending, but the criteria you were offering leads me to think that you have a rather different idea of "fairness" than I do. Mechanisation and efficiency against one's enemies? Mechanization, as the Shire demonstrates, really wasn't one of Tolkien's conception of "fairness", and efficiency against one's enemies smacks of Stalinism or Hitlerism to me...

I'm confused by what you're saying. I was asking for a place that fit all criterias above. Such as Gondolin for example. It's efficient against its enemies because it was hidden & protected by the eagles but it was also fair to look upon. I hope that clears it up.

Now that you have clarified what you want, I must ask: do you think that human realms cannot match Elven ones? Because in the above quote you have limited it to the Elvish kingdoms?

Furthermore, I should think it quite plain that Valinor is the fairest of realms...

Or did you mean to say in Middle-Earth?

~The Devil's Advocate-

Formendacil~

It would be unfair to include Valinor since it has an unfair advantage. I'd say only kingdoms east of the sea. I believe mortal realms are to be included but they're in a different league on their own since their inhabitants die & decay is the norm for them. Perhaps leaning more towards the elvish kingdoms.