[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Because of our immediate setback (Lhuna pulling out and me being recruited very shortly before the game) Mith granted us PMing during DAY 1. This is our conversing for that span, and shortly into NIGHT 2, when our plans were abruptly changed.

Originally Posted by Fea

Hey guys. Looks like I'm playing this round after all. Very nice to be working with y'all, and all that other pleasant stuff.
Catch me up, if you'd be so kind. Have you got any plans laid out yet?

I have to be honest and second what Mithalwen said about me standing out a lot, so I'd have to say that your best bet is to flat out avoid me. Perhaps play around with "Well... she might be innocent, but I don't trust her at all. She's too sneaky." That sort of thing. Make it apparent that you have no alliances with me, because I've considered this a bit (even before Mith PMed me 10 minutes ago ) and I think the best idea is for me to be the public suspect.

I might play the Nilp route and say "I'm a wolf. You should lynch me while you still have the chance". Of course, it will be veiled in jokes and obscurity, but I will be sure to keep myself in the usual spotlight. Unless you two decide that it would be best for me to lie low. I must admit, that would confuse the heck out of people.

Either way, I'll be lying low today, as I've got to take off for a few hours mid-afternoon. I run on EST, so that's in about an hour and a half.

Tell me what you guys think, and we'll get this figured out.

Originally Posted by mormegil

This is what I sent out and this is my strategy--to stay the same as I am in every game. I think, Fea, that you should play similar to your other games as well. SUPER LOUD. If you don't it may be obvious that you are changing tactics. As I've never allied myself in the past with anyone I will keep it that way this game. Oromi will stay fairly quiet.

One thing don't spend too much time saying how innocent we are. I always feel the people who focus too much on saying "I'm innocent" are most likely the wolves.

Originally Posted by Fea

Perfect.

*giggle* I think you are right. I'll save my tactic switch for when I'm innocent. Which means that y'all should look forward to me spotlighting everyone until I'm "certain they are innocent", nitpicking, dancing to my own tune, and most of all, very vocally attaching myself to certain "bones". Observation by agitation indeed.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Would you mind being the caretaker of our conversations? That way at the end if somebody is interested they can see what we spoke of.

Originally Posted by Fea

*looks over at the open WordPad document entitled "wolf chat, game 5"*


Way ahead of you.

Originally Posted by Fea

Durelin
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Kitanna
Nilpaurion Felagund
Oddwen
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
The guy who be short

Random: draw a name from a hat.
Plus: untraceable
Minus: chance of killing first timer

Methodical: alphebetical order
Plus: traceable, but in no helpful way
Minus: guarantee of killing first timer

Experience-based: slaughter people who know what they're doing
Plus: shooting fish in a barrel once their gone
Minus: less players to subtley prod people into killing based on suspicions that we "aren't supposed to have"

It's your call, guys.

Originally Posted by Fea

About Gil:

He's pointed out both Morm and myself. I find that somewhat disconcerting. Here are our options:

1) He picked randomly of those who've posted, and found two wolves.

2) He's the Seer and got one wolf (morm, because I joined too late for him to know to dream about me) and guessed on me because I'm a well-known and experienced loudmouth.

No matter what, HE CAN'T DIE. At least not today or tonight. I'm sure you guys are already aware of that. Kath needs to stay alive as well. I put for the suggestion that the two could be Ranger and Hunter, and so are in cahoots, however I find it unlikely, as Gil forgot to go invisible and any bright Gifted one would do that immediately. Any how, I don't think Gil is dangerous, just lucky. We shouldn't let his comments cloud our judgement, but we do need to keep an eye on him without uncharacteristic retaliation. It's going to be dead obvious if we give knee-jerk reactions. Of course you know that, but it can't be said too many times.

Oh, just so you know, I do plan on multi-layered bluffs. I hope it startles laughs out of you both.

EDIT: Oro's inbox is full. We'll have to fill her in later.

Originally Posted by morm

I'm not overly worried about Gil. I think his vehemence will work against him. If he's not lynched today I think we could kill him tonight and risk him being the seer. If he is...well I'll die I'm sure. If he's not we could go for a "framing poor open Morm" defense. "Oh no the wolves are out to get me" Just make sure you don't really denfend me. If I were you I would drop me from most of your conversations.

Unless you feel a vote for me now you clear you later. If Gil is the seer it may be worth my life to get rid of him tonight. If he is lynched and he is the seer than the myoth...whatever guy would easily pick him to become than we would have another seer.

Originally Posted by Fea

If you think we can off Gil without garnering suspicion, then by all means, we should kill him without second thought. I just don't want it to look as obvious as I think it will. If he isn't lynched toDAY, I still think we should leave him be toNIGHT. Although I have nothing whatsoever against subtley turning the village against him. I'm going to stick with my usual plan of attack with "never telling my true suspects" until I have to, and even then, pulling them out of nowhere. Right now I've just accused everyone who hasn't shown yet. Gotta take off for the night. I'll be around before the day ends tomorrow.

PS again: Oro's inbox is still full. Looks like she's stuck in the dark on this one?

Originally Posted by morm

I believe in WW3 if Fordim were a wolf, killing off TGWBS (I think it was him) would have been great. Such an obvious set up would be too risky for a wolf to take and that's why we can get away with it.

Originally Posted by Oro

Sorry for my absence! I was kept away until now by family matters and computer troubles. As far as strategy goes, I think it would be a good idea for Fea and me to keep accusing each other. It will put some distance between us... I think I'll still try to just lay low, since I'm very inexperienced.

Originally Posted by morm

My vote today is for Kath as I explained in my post. I think it to be a fairly good post...it is true that I will be gone for the greater part of tomorrow. But if Kath is killed I think we could easily pick off Gil tonight and play the risky double bluff. It would have worked in the past in a similar situation and I think it will work now. If he does turn out to be the seer...good he'll only have one night of dreaming and at the expense of one wolf. He won't be able to list who are innocents thus complicating life for us.

Originally Posted by Fea

Okay, to address everything.

Oro, I'm up for accusing each other. It won't look sketchy because I'm always being accused by the quiet ones. The perk of you being quiet is that if they see through our double-loudmouth bluff, they won't hesitate to think there are three.

Morm, let's kill Gil. You're right about the bluff. No werewolf in his/her right mind would be stupid enough to kill the one pointing him/her out. It's perfect. I love how you think; I don't have to share my ideas because you've already got them. Oro, what do you think about us slaying Gil tonight? If you agree, somebody kindly PM Mithalwen and tell her we've got our first victim.

Stupid national holiday (God Bless America, in any case) limits my computer time, or I'd offer to do it myself.

Originally Posted by Orominuialwen

From the way things are looking now (1 vote for Kath, one for Holbytlass, 2 for me, and 5 for Gil), we may not have to kill Gil tonight after all. I voted for Gil, so unless more people come in the next few minutes, he'll die today, not tonight.

Originally Posted by Fea

Excellent. Mormegil, do you feel up to a bluff? If so, I say we kill Kath tonight. You call frame-up, and people get confused.

Originally Posted by morm

I see two people who we can kill. TGWBS or Kath. In either situation I will have to pull a double bluff. But honestly I think this will have a good effect in casting suspicion off of me. Too obvious a set up to take real...right?

Now to kill Kath the advantage is it severs the alleged alliance between herself and I. To kill TGWBS it kills somebody who is very intelligent and a good player, also he's very suspicious of me. We have a good long time to discuss it but let's consider both okay.

Originally Posted by Fea

I'd like to leave TGWBS alive as long as possible for a few reasons. One is that he's a very convincing player, and he thinks I'm innocent. That's a plus in our favor.

Another is that he's a good choice for someone whose words we can use against him in a few days. Look at some of the stuff he wrote today; it won't be that hard to deflect blame back to him later. Kath, on the other hand, is also bright, which makes her dangerous. She suspects you quite openly, which makes for the perfect bluff. She takes more care with what she says, which makes it more difficult to pin her with her own words. If we take her out early, it doesn't give her a chance to do damage.

Originally Posted by morm

Plus with Kath it will kill that alliance idea. But I worry that the seer will dream of me tonight. I think we need to try and get TGWBS out of the way during the day. I'm not sure how we can turn what he says against himself but I'm all for it if we can.

You two need to be careful to not cast too much doubt on Oromi in particular. At this stage Fea you may want to be loud elsewhere, as this will not be suspicious behavior if you do it.

Now how are we going to pull of this double bluff? My hope is that Firefoot (or somebody similar) will point out how obvious a set up it is. That way I don't have to defend myself. I think Firefoot may do it for us. If not one of you may need to step in, but that could be risky. If you do make sure it's worded carefully but not too guarded. I really think we can pull this off though.

Being a wolf is tough business though

Originally Posted by Fea

He's very cool and calculating. Though he avoids saying things that directly incriminate him, we can use his intelligence against him. It won't look obvious if I frame him up tomorrow.

About Oro... I hadn't meant to end up with that much of a following. I'll "forget" about her tomorrow, unless someone calls me on it, and direct my attention to someone else. Obviously it can't be you, Morm, because "No idiot wolf would kill the two people that wanted him dead. That's just plain stupid. I mean... it would be so obvious; the wolf couldn't possibly expect to survive something like that.", so it's got to be someone else that's smart, and who is good with strategy and frame-up work. Like, perhaps, TGWBS.

If not, I can do it.

Heck yes it is. Fun though.

So are we decided on Kath for the night?

Originally Posted by morm

Yes I would say kill Kath and hope her to be the seer or guardian. Let Oro know.