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Inziladun · 07-20-2001, 11:06 PM

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Re: Gollum and Valinor...

I disagree that Gollum would have been allowed to go to Eressëa (not Valinor, neither the hobbits nor the returning Exiles could go there).
There were vast differences between Frodo and Gollum. Frodo was allowed to go because of his great sacrifice, and the fact that he had taken the burden freely, to save the world he knew. Conversely, all Gollum's dealings with the Ring were evil. He had killed to gain it in the first place, and betrayed for it at the end. Tolkien said of him
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Gollum was pitiable, but he ended in persistent wickedness, and the fact that this worked good was no credit to him.<hr></blockquote>
The Ring conquered him so readily to begin with because he had a "mean little soul", given over to spying and worse actions. Though indeed pitiable, this hardly earns the honour of sailing to "Arda Unmarred".

Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000125>Inziladu n</A> at: 7/21/01 1:36:41 am

07-20-2001, 11:06 PM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,035	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 238</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Gollum and Valinor... I disagree that Gollum would have been allowed to go to Eressëa (not Valinor, neither the hobbits nor the returning Exiles could go there). There were vast differences between Frodo and Gollum. Frodo was allowed to go because of his great sacrifice, and the fact that he had taken the burden freely, to save the world he knew. Conversely, all Gollum's dealings with the Ring were evil. He had killed to gain it in the first place, and betrayed for it at the end. Tolkien said of him <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> Gollum was pitiable, but he ended in persistent wickedness, and the fact that this worked good was no credit to him.<hr></blockquote> The Ring conquered him so readily to begin with because he had a "mean little soul", given over to spying and worse actions. Though indeed pitiable, this hardly earns the honour of sailing to "Arda Unmarred". Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000125>Inziladu n</A> at: 7/21/01 1:36:41 am* __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.