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**lindil** · 08-10-2003, 09:06 AM

Nils you posted earlier "I was refering to Tolkien's later thoughts on creation."

I like to think that I 'get it' as in the TftE forums we have had to parse these points long and hard inorder to come up with a larger Silmarillion.

In our goal to include and incorporate as much from HoM-E as possible that does not end up either:
a> destroying more than it adds or
B> contradicting 'established Silm textual traditions' for unsolidified late revisions.

The 'Round world from the begining of its creation' idea fails to pass the 'canon' test on both counts.

Yes there is much to be said for the concept, but JRRT never fully [or even largely] integrated it into the Silm textual tradition. It remainied a sticking point [like the origin of ORcs, and the dating of the awakening of Men] that derailed JRRT from ever finishing the Silm, and CJRT had to make decisions on when editing the Silmarillion that is sold today. Bsed on logical and available source texts CJRT rightly surmised the idea had to go, even though it was later in concpetion [as was also Galadriel's departure from Valinor with Celborn [Teleporno] and Amrod's being burned alive in the ships at Losgar [actualy that one could have been worked in w/ 'relative' ease.

-L

08-10-2003, 09:06 AM	#21
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Nils you posted earlier "I was refering to Tolkien's later thoughts on creation." I like to think that I 'get it' as in the TftE forums we have had to parse these points long and hard inorder to come up with a larger Silmarillion. In our goal to include and incorporate as much from HoM-E as possible that does not end up either: a> destroying more than it adds or B> contradicting 'established Silm textual traditions' for unsolidified late revisions. The 'Round world from the begining of its creation' idea fails to pass the 'canon' test on both counts. Yes there is much to be said for the concept, but JRRT never fully [or even largely] integrated it into the Silm textual tradition. It remainied a sticking point [like the origin of ORcs, and the dating of the awakening of Men] that derailed JRRT from ever finishing the Silm, and CJRT had to make decisions on when editing the Silmarillion that is sold today. Bsed on logical and available source texts CJRT rightly surmised the idea had to go, even though it was later in concpetion [as was also Galadriel's departure from Valinor with Celborn [Teleporno] and Amrod's being burned alive in the ships at Losgar [actualy that one could have been worked in w/ 'relative' ease. -L __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.