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***Mithadan*** · 08-07-2001, 05:03 PM

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Re: About elves and immortality

Elves, by their nature, live as long as Arda, the world, exists, separate and apart from whether they journey to Valinor or not. Valinor itself is not deathless, and a mortal will die even in Valinor. This includes Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. Thus even if Arwen were able to travel to Valinor, she would have aged and died. However, mortals are not allowed to travel to Valinor except in certain unique cases such as the Ringbearers who were allowed to take ship into the west to find healing from their burdens. So once Arwen chose to be counted among men, she gave up any chance to pass into the West.

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--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 8/7/01 7:04:32 pm

08-07-2001, 05:03 PM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,393	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 937</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: About elves and immortality Elves, by their nature, live as long as Arda, the world, exists, separate and apart from whether they journey to Valinor or not. Valinor itself is not deathless, and a mortal will die even in Valinor. This includes Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. Thus even if Arwen were able to travel to Valinor, she would have aged and died. However, mortals are not allowed to travel to Valinor except in certain unique cases such as the Ringbearers who were allowed to take ship into the west to find healing from their burdens. So once Arwen chose to be counted among men, she gave up any chance to pass into the West. Welcome to the Barrow Downs, Opether! --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 8/7/01 7:04:32 pm __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.