[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yes that is true. And why is this? You answered it-

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because they have not read the book

Hello! They haven't read the book!

Really phantom! Such blatant selective quoting does not become an intelligent debater such as yourself!

Originally Posted by the phantom

It would please the people who care and not effect anyone else.

It is the second statement that we differ on.

Originally Posted by the phantom

...is still a pig's ear.

Well then, I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed a pig's ear quite so much.

Originally Posted by the phantom

By logical and intelligent standards (ie my standards).

That's what I like to see. Pure objectivity.

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

I simply observed that here, at least, you seem very fond of reiterating popularity as a satisfactory evidence of the quality of a movie.

I have most certainly never claimed that popularity was the only factor when considering the quality of a film. But it is a good indicator of how successful a film is in achieving what it set out to achieve. It will be interesting to see whether the LotR films do stand the test of time. As I have said, my feeling is that they will.

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Would you care to elaborate on what you feel is groundbreaking about the LotR films?

Perhaps "groundbreaking" is the wrong word. I was grasping for a concept that describes a film that makes a significant and lasting impact. This trilogy of films has that feeling for me. And there are groundbreaking elements to them - the use made of CGI in combination with an actor to create one of the central characters, the incredible attention to detail (perhaps not groundbreaking, but rare in a film of this type nevertheless) and the sheer achievement in filming a trilogy of films more or less over a single period. I should elaborate further but I haven't got time now.

Ultimately, it shouldn't really matter to me that these films receive such a mauling here on such a consitent basis. As I said many moons on this thread, it's no skin off my nose. But something still irks me about the criticisms that are made (which is why I keep coming back to this thread) and I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps it is just because I enjoy them so much. Which, I suppose, makes me unintelligent and illogical by the phantom's standards.