[Lyliac]

so you do think that there were 'good' and 'bad' creatures, each whom balanced another counterpart out? interesting...i had thought that tolkien was working from 'common sense', and assuming that we knew what good was, and to use that idea to compare the characters to determine their goodness or badness. of course, i don't suppose thats giving him enought credit over what he wrote. i do have a question though, why do you/your chat members think that the characters had to lose their bad side in order to depart from middle earth?