[The Saucepan Man]

I think that it's best if we steer clear of personal views on issues of morality and stick to the question at hand. Clearly, we can all agree that rape is an immoral act. The central issue is whether Tolkien, by the words he used (as referenced above), intended to imply that Celebrian was raped by the Orcs and/or whether they are capable of bearing such meaning.

This is an issue which needs to be discussed with the particular care and sensitivity which has (for the most part) characterised the debate so far. I suspect that getting into issues of personal morality will put that at risk so, as I said, let's just steer clear.