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Old 01-04-2005, 10:31 PM   #3
Neurion
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Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel
Did you not read Bethberry's post? Religion played a part on his cryptic input. Did not the soldiers of WW2 raped? And his writings were for the most part, based on those experiences. Not implying anything, just a thought.
One would think you were implying something.

As to WWII soldiers, on the whole, Axis generaly yes, Allied generaly no, with the notable exception of the Russians and French colonial troops.

The bottom line is, you're set on believing that Celebrian was raped on flimsy evidence and guessing. the tone of your posts confirm this ("All my worst fears have been confirmed!" sheesh). The obvious course to take after getting settled on this "fact" is to start wondering where else in M-E such occurences took place. "Gee, according to some unpublished papers, Eol took Aredhel to wife by force." "Maybe Finduilas was outraged by the orcs before they killed her." Please don't take this any further.

As I said before, if Tolkien wanted to say so, he would have in plainer style. The incident with Turin and the outlaws points to this.

I've discussed this enough. I'm taking my leave.
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