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Old 12-18-2004, 09:16 PM   #7
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and little but a tortured heart got {he}they from the Gold of {Glorund}[Glaurung].

If our idea is to make the ultimate fate of the outlaws ambiguous, then this doesn't work, as it asserts that they did in fact survive.
Perhaps you can propose something that will do the trick.

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Is this necessary? The Turin chapter will surely end as the Narn ends, with the death of Turin and Nienor and the carving of the stone, rather than continuing as TN does to tell of Hurin's subsequent journeys. And post-Lost Tales, the two sections (Wanderings of Hurin and Necklace of the Dwarves) are unified as "The Ruin of Doriath".

It's a fairly inconsequential point, though.
I rather like the The Necklace of the Dwarves, ‘Sigil Elu-neath’ Necklace of the Woe of Thingol. I would rather keep it unless there is an overriding reason that we should not.

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But I wonder whether this addition from the 77 is necessary. Does it derive from some other source or is it an invention of CT? We could follow TN more closely:
Actually it comes from Annals of Aman
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§143 ..... but at the rear went Finrod and Inglor, and many of the fairest and wisest of the Noldor; and often they looked behind them to see their fair city, until the lamp of the Mindon Eldaliéva was lost in the night. More than any others of the exiles they carried thence memories of the bliss that they had forsaken, and some even of the fair things that they had made there they took with them: a solace and a burden on the road.
I like your suggestion but I would rather keep the part in which it states that a part of the treasure of Nargothrond came from Valinor itself, making it more valuable and desirable. (In my mind at least)

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RD-EX-28<TN Now as he gazed {Tinwelint}[Thingol] said: ‘How glorious is this treasure! And{ I have not a tithe thereof, and} of the gems of Valinor I have none save that Silmaril that Beren won from {Angamandi}[Angband].’ But {Gwenniel}[Melian] who stood by said: ‘And that were worth all that here lies, were it thrice as great.’>
So, it should be:
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RD-EX-28<TN Now as he gazed {Tinwelint}[Thingol] said: ‘How glorious is this treasure! {And I have not a tithe thereof, and of the gems of Valinor I have none save that Silmaril that Beren won from {Angamandi}[Angband]}.’ But {Gwenniel}[Melian] who stood by said: ‘And that were worth all that here lies, were it thrice as great.’>
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Shouldn't "Nauglath" become "Naugrim"? Or is "Nauglath" retained as an alternative form?
I think that you are right.

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About the crown of leaves: I think that, despite Thingol's wealth in the later versions, it is safe to retain the reference here; it is said in the Lay of Leithian recommenced that he wore a crown of leaves.
From the Lays of Beleriand: The Lay of Leithian Recommenced

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A king there was in days of old:
ere Men yet walked upon the mould
his power was reared in caverns’ shade,
his hand was over glen and glade.
Of leaves his crown, his mantle green,
I had missed that reference.

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In the later stories, Thingol has seen such swords as Aranruth and Anglachel. I rather doubt that this statement is safe, particularly in light of the latter.
Correct, but one can make the point that it was the dwarf sword that was the Aranruth. Just to be safe, it think we should delete that reference.

Of the other changes I didn't comment on I'm ok with them.
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