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tom bombariffic · 05-01-2003, 04:19 AM

I reckon the guy who be short raised the key point here: aule was a smith, and smiths are/were old fashioned - Tolkien was probably upset that INDUSTRY was replacing SMITHS like Aule. And that would explain why the smith's "apprentices", Saruman and Sauron, became industrial when they rose to full strength: times were changing. Maybe this is why Aule's innocent mistakes were forgiven, but Sauron and Saruman's werent.

Also, on the subject of the dwarves, I dont believe it was selfish pride that made him do it. i think he made them because he was proud of the skills that Eru had given him, which is a slightly different thing. Also, like with the feanor situation, he just had an overwhelming desire to create beautiful things (perhaps like a smith would), wheras Saruman and Sauron didn't care about beauty so much, they desired power.

Bombariffic.

[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: tom bombariffic ]

05-01-2003, 04:19 AM	#13
tom bombariffic Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In the house of Tom Bombariffic Posts: 196	I reckon the guy who be short raised the key point here: aule was a smith, and smiths are/were old fashioned - Tolkien was probably upset that INDUSTRY was replacing SMITHS like Aule. And that would explain why the smith's "apprentices", Saruman and Sauron, became industrial when they rose to full strength: times were changing. Maybe this is why Aule's innocent mistakes were forgiven, but Sauron and Saruman's werent. Also, on the subject of the dwarves, I dont believe it was selfish pride that made him do it. i think he made them because he was proud of the skills that Eru had given him, which is a slightly different thing. Also, like with the feanor situation, he just had an overwhelming desire to create beautiful things (perhaps like a smith would), wheras Saruman and Sauron didn't care about beauty so much, they desired power. Bombariffic. [ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: tom bombariffic ] __________________ The 'hum' generated by an electric car is not in fact the noise of the engine, but that of the driver's self-righteousness oscillating at a high frequency.