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Old 10-17-2004, 07:19 PM   #607
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This should be about where Amroth agrees to stop pursuing his quest, after much persuasion from the Elves and the humans, who swear oaths to continue the quest FOR him, without telling Tharonwe, and their minds closed to him.
This is where I don't get it.

Put yourself in Amroth's position. If someone who was
*keeping you from your spouse and
*mentally tormenting your spouse,
also killed someone you had known for 2 days,
would you let the tormentor convince you to stop looking for your spouse?

Amroth strikes me as the type who would not. "If another does evil, why would I let them bind me? They will answer for their evil, but I will also answer if I fail to pursue good." He won't give up due to outside pressure **especially** from a competitor.

From Amroth's perspective, what's Tharonwe's worst threat? He'll kill Nimrodel? THen she ends up in the Halls of Mandos -- and Amroth wins.

In addition to the hurdle of Amroth's iron attitude-- technically, for Amroth to abandon his quest, would mean for him to give up and go home, since if he's still out riding looking for her, he's still on the quest. That would kind of gut the story? If I'm not seeing it your way, please clarify.

Options:

1. If Tharonwe can lie fast and hard enough, then under his influence, Mellondu can deny Amroth control. When NImrodel rejected Amroth, Amroth sank voluntarily; this time, Mellondu can sink him. Mellondu has voluntarily given him control; Tharonwe can convince Mellondu to take it back, and treat Amroth like a guest again. Mellondu can refuse Amroth permission to speak or control him anymore, especially if he's going to get Mellondu's friends cut up. Taitheneb and Erebemlin (and other interested parties) can swear to continue Amroth's quest even though Mellondu won't let Amroth surface or assert himself. That I can believe. (Might make for interesting character development on an otherwise very passive Mellondu.)

2. Amroth would accept a rejection/ repudiation from Nimrodel herself (although he would suspect taht it comes from Tharonwe, and therefore doubt it mightily. Fool me once...) Nimrodel can reiterate her rejection of Amroth, though what this gains (since she already has done this once, and he no longer believes it) I'm not sure.

3. General mutiny on the part of the men makes some sense. But then there are those pesky elves sticking up for Amroth. And Tharonwe still wouldnt' get his promise.

I really prefer Option 1 and 3. Mellondu surfaces, promising that he won't let Amroth put his own sisters' life at risk again. HOwever, even Mellondu will have a hard time agreeing not to pursue Nimrodel-- remember he likes her now. But perhaps Tharonwe won't know, notice, or care. If his mind is closed, is this enough?

This sets up conflict between Amroth & Mellondu, increases tension within the group, and will weaken Amroth / Mellondu physically.
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