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Old 10-11-2004, 12:56 PM   #4
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Excellent post, Feanor, but I'm wondering if the first two quotes actually do show that Boromir is Proud, or if he has pride in a different way. I think the Pride that is sinful would be a vain pride. Pride is not necessarily a bad thing; it would be in the way that Pride is manifested. There would be no sin in being proud of an achievement you made, or a good you did, but if it made you look down your nose at people and think of yourself so highly that everyone else about you was foolishly unworthy of your company, 'twould be wrong. Arrogance might be a suitable word.

Now, it could be said that Boromir was being described in those sentences as Arrogant, and he was rather that, but it could also be saying something else. Proud can also mean Majestic, or of Great Dignity.

Quote:
He ceased, but at once Boromir stood up, tall and proud, before them.
could also be

Quote:
He ceased, but at once Boromir stood up, tall and majestic, before them.
and

Quote:
And seated a little apart was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance.
could be

Quote:
And seated a little apart was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, dignified and stern of glance.
Or I could turn around and argue against myself and say that you chose those quotes beautifully by changing Proud to Arrogant and leaving those two quotes as:

Quote:
He ceased, but at once Boromir stood up, tall and arrogant, before them.
and

Quote:
And seated a little apart was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, arrogant and stern of glance.
It actually could be either way. I feel an urge to run along and think on this to see if I can get a sense of what Pride was meant. Arrogance does seem within Boromir's character, but so also does the other sort of Pride, for he was of noble birth, and the like.

Gluttony? What about the hobbits? It did seem to me, though, that the Fellowship hobbits weren't quite so bad as the other Shire-folk. There was the incident, however, where Sam disappeared right before they set out... to bid his farewell to the wine-cellars.

As far as Faith goes, what about a translation to Trust? There was a lot of Trust in the Fellowship.
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